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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3121 - 2015-01-13 13:13:48 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So much for people's expectations that That Terrible XXYY person will suddenly disappear!!

Welcome to band-aid solutions.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#3122 - 2015-01-13 21:41:00 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So much for people's expectations that That Terrible XXYY person will suddenly disappear!!

Welcome to band-aid solutions.

Lets see if That Person still feels like manually running 50 ships a month from now.

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ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#3123 - 2015-01-13 22:20:22 UTC
Nidal Fervor wrote:
Uni-matrix 1 to 50 was in elonaya today with 50 skiffs/procurers all mining at once. is it even possible to control 50 at once without isboxer?


Im so glad to read that <3 someone use 50 accounts <3 EvilTwistedPirateLolCool


Edit: lol
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3124 - 2015-01-13 22:50:11 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So much for people's expectations that That Terrible XXYY person will suddenly disappear!!

Welcome to band-aid solutions.

Lets see if That Person still feels like manually running 50 ships a month from now.

I'd offer to lay a wager with EVE-Bet, but we'd run into issues of paid gankers and bribes, so I'll just say that I will be here when people start complaining on the forums about boxers in the belts.
ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#3125 - 2015-01-14 07:26:56 UTC
Fraternity and Nulli are sending in mass petitions about me to CCP for using ISBoxer bombers against them...

haha...
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3126 - 2015-01-14 08:06:44 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:
Fraternity and Nulli are sending in mass petitions about me to CCP for using ISBoxer bombers against them...

haha...


Sooo, they didn't figure out that there might be people who are competent enough to bomb you even without input multiplexing?
Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3127 - 2015-01-14 09:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Intrepid
I don't like Isboxer, and I think that software to help you do things you couldn't normally do or handle is cheating, and I've never used it.

Yet a guy is petitioning me for ganking his stationary hyperion with 4 talos. Multiboxing is banned, he said. Some people are stupid. I've never needed software to multibox, though apparently some people don't understand the difference.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3128 - 2015-01-14 13:16:00 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
ShadowandLight wrote:
Fraternity and Nulli are sending in mass petitions about me to CCP for using ISBoxer bombers against them...
haha...

Sooo, they didn't figure out that there might be people who are competent enough to bomb you even without input multiplexing?

Hi, welcome to 100 pages ago. We tried to warn CCP about this.

Agent Intrepid wrote:
I don't like Isboxer, and I think that software to help you do things you couldn't normally do or handle is cheating,

Alright then, what's your stance on stuff like EFT, or Fuzzworks, or Siggy?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3129 - 2015-01-14 13:39:19 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
ShadowandLight wrote:
Fraternity and Nulli are sending in mass petitions about me to CCP for using ISBoxer bombers against them...

Sooo, they didn't figure out that there might be people who are competent enough to bomb you even without input multiplexing?

Hi, welcome to 100 pages ago. We tried to warn CCP about this.

Why, did it seem as though CCP thought it would reduce the isboxer petition load?

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Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3130 - 2015-01-14 14:08:34 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
ShadowandLight wrote:
Fraternity and Nulli are sending in mass petitions about me to CCP for using ISBoxer bombers against them...
haha...

Sooo, they didn't figure out that there might be people who are competent enough to bomb you even without input multiplexing?

Hi, welcome to 100 pages ago. We tried to warn CCP about this.

Agent Intrepid wrote:
I don't like Isboxer, and I think that software to help you do things you couldn't normally do or handle is cheating,

Alright then, what's your stance on stuff like EFT, or Fuzzworks, or Siggy?


Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3131 - 2015-01-14 14:33:37 UTC
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
ShadowandLight wrote:
Fraternity and Nulli are sending in mass petitions about me to CCP for using ISBoxer bombers against them...
haha...

Sooo, they didn't figure out that there might be people who are competent enough to bomb you even without input multiplexing?

Hi, welcome to 100 pages ago. We tried to warn CCP about this.

Agent Intrepid wrote:
I don't like Isboxer, and I think that software to help you do things you couldn't normally do or handle is cheating,

Alright then, what's your stance on stuff like EFT, or Fuzzworks, or Siggy?


Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage.



Which is why you are no longer able to do that (control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click)
Unimatrix--Zero
INVADERS
#3132 - 2015-01-14 15:32:04 UTC
We are the Borg.

Resistance is futile Big smile
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3133 - 2015-01-14 20:00:10 UTC
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage.

Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You claimed to not know enough about EFT or Fuzzworks to make any comment on it, but then turn around and attack ISBoxer for something that people have repeatedly addressed and at the same time ignoring the flaws and disadvantages that ISBoxer has.
Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3134 - 2015-01-14 22:38:07 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage.

Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You claimed to not know enough about EFT or Fuzzworks to make any comment on it, but then turn around and attack ISBoxer for something that people have repeatedly addressed and at the same time ignoring the flaws and disadvantages that ISBoxer has.


No. I know enough about how isboxer allowed you to duplicate commands across many clients, and thus was able to make a judgement that it's cheating, and I made this judgement long before CCP decided to finally outlaw it. CCP seem to agree that isboxer offers too much of an ingame advantage, hence the outlawing of input broadcasting.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#3135 - 2015-01-14 22:44:49 UTC
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage.

Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You claimed to not know enough about EFT or Fuzzworks to make any comment on it, but then turn around and attack ISBoxer for something that people have repeatedly addressed and at the same time ignoring the flaws and disadvantages that ISBoxer has.


No. I know enough about how isboxer allowed you to duplicate commands across many clients, and thus was able to make a judgement that it's cheating, and I made this judgement long before CCP decided to finally outlaw it. CCP seem to agree that isboxer offers too much of an ingame advantage, hence the outlawing of input broadcasting.



isboxer still isnt outlawed
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3136 - 2015-01-14 23:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage.

Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You claimed to not know enough about EFT or Fuzzworks to make any comment on it, but then turn around and attack ISBoxer for something that people have repeatedly addressed and at the same time ignoring the flaws and disadvantages that ISBoxer has.


No. I know enough about how isboxer allowed you to duplicate commands across many clients, and thus was able to make a judgement that it's cheating, and I made this judgement long before CCP decided to finally outlaw it. CCP seem to agree that isboxer offers too much of an ingame advantage, hence the outlawing of input broadcasting.


So you looked at a single portion of the program and immediately jumped to a conclusion based on nothing more than first impressions and no research. Good job.
The downsides to ISBoxer have been well documented by people and would have been happily explained if you decided to ask one of the boxers.

e: And ISBoxer itself is not outlawed.
Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3137 - 2015-01-15 08:20:22 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Agent Intrepid wrote:
Don't use them, don't know enough about them to comment. I knew what isboxer was capable of and it was obvious to me it that being able to control 20 or 50 characters with 1 click is a massive in game advantage.

Wait, you just contradicted yourself. You claimed to not know enough about EFT or Fuzzworks to make any comment on it, but then turn around and attack ISBoxer for something that people have repeatedly addressed and at the same time ignoring the flaws and disadvantages that ISBoxer has.


No. I know enough about how isboxer allowed you to duplicate commands across many clients, and thus was able to make a judgement that it's cheating, and I made this judgement long before CCP decided to finally outlaw it. CCP seem to agree that isboxer offers too much of an ingame advantage, hence the outlawing of input broadcasting.


So you looked at a single portion of the program and immediately jumped to a conclusion based on nothing more than first impressions and no research. Good job.
The downsides to ISBoxer have been well documented by people and would have been happily explained if you decided to ask one of the boxers.

e: And ISBoxer itself is not outlawed.


Blah blah blah.

Its most gameplay affecting feature was.
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
#3138 - 2015-01-15 14:53:36 UTC
Quote:
Blah blah blah.

Its most gameplay affecting feature was.




ISBoxers most gameplay affecting feature is and has always been VideoFX not broadcasting. You prove the point that you don't know enough about anything involving multiboxing to make an educated assessment. Yours is the blind and biased opinion of the masses who either don't want to multibox at a higher level or can't afford it and so want it banned.

Is it obvious by now that the ban hasn't stopped ISBoxing?

Are all the people who have been cheering for the ban happy now? Has this improved the quality of your gaming time? Are you going to go back to CCP to call for more nerfs?

What's the next step in the anti-isboxer campaign? Roll
Vampyr3
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3139 - 2015-01-15 15:27:58 UTC
I don't think anyone from CCP would like to risk the legal implications of naming a specific Input Broadcasting method. Firstly, it would seem a direct blow at a specific entity, and secondly, if it were explicitly stated "WASBoxer is banned." some clone of the software would appear and the same problems would happen. This way it kills off any attempt to gain the edge by similar means, regardless of branding.

Just a guess...
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#3140 - 2015-01-15 18:17:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Nolak Ataru
CCP could have stated that any modifications or programs that interacted with the client were against the EULA. However as it seems the CSM (none of whom has any experience with the program other than "wah my fleet was afk on a planet and got bombed", by the way, and who have provable vested interests in getting rid of the program by presenting a flawed perception of the program to CCP) pushed this onto CCP, they backed themselves into a corner when they did not attempt to communicate with the ISBoxer community regarding the change, and especially when they flat out refused to talk to anyone until after Jan 1.

e: And I'm not even talking about the many changes to the actual game that would have stopped most, if not all, of the complaining, and would have had a positive effect on the game.