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[Proposal] a Mayday call option

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Gris X
xDECOYx
DECOY
#1 - 2011-12-18 05:37:06 UTC
Pilots with a sec status at 0 or more can trigger a Mayday call when they are aggressed (except in WH space).

Other pilots with a positive sec status in the range of the call (let's say one system per sec status point of the pilot issuing the Mayday) can then opt to to create a bookmark to the mayday's call location, and thus warp to it when in-system.

All Pilots in their settings have a setting to opt in on Mayday calls (default option if oss).
People that want to be able to act on Mayday calls must check this box.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-12-18 07:28:40 UTC
Why limit it to positive sec status? That doesn't even make sense.
Gris X
xDECOYx
DECOY
#3 - 2011-12-18 08:26:20 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Why limit it to positive sec status? That doesn't even make sense.


1/ to allow players to react to something ongoing between players in their vicinity, if they so choose.

2/ To facilitate the capacity for the "good guys" to help other "good guys", beyond corps and alliances allegiances.

3/ Because CONCORD monitoring the use of this channel would prevent anyone with a non positive sec status to use or even hear this channel.

4/ There is also the ability to use this as a bait/trap, with the complicity of a positive sec status pilot.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-12-18 12:08:25 UTC
Gris X wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Why limit it to positive sec status? That doesn't even make sense.


1/ to allow players to react to something ongoing between players in their vicinity, if they so choose.

2/ To facilitate the capacity for the "good guys" to help other "good guys", beyond corps and alliances allegiances.

3/ Because CONCORD monitoring the use of this channel would prevent anyone with a non positive sec status to use or even hear this channel.

4/ There is also the ability to use this as a bait/trap, with the complicity of a positive sec status pilot.
Good intentions =/= positive security status.
Any player can raise their standings out of the negatives and into the positives. Hell, if I ever saw a Mayday distress call go out I would get over there quickly for one or possibly two easy kills.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2011-12-18 13:31:01 UTC
1. get in a corp
2. fleet up
3. "I NEED HELP GUYS!" when **** hits the fan
4. The cavalry arrives

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Goose99
#6 - 2011-12-18 15:34:30 UTC
It's a trap!Bear
Takara Mora
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-12-18 16:00:08 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
1. get in a corp
2. fleet up
3. "I NEED HELP GUYS!" when **** hits the fan
4. The cavalry arrives



Velicitia is right .... but, many ppl don't have enough corpies online, maybe you're away from HQ, maybe you're outside corp peak hours, etc., etc. .... or, maybe you just want to encourage more group play and social interaction ... and yes, CONVENIENCE really does matter .... the same way 1000000 papercuts do.

Sort of seems similar to calling for help in LOCAL though ... but it adds the ability for other pilots to more quickly respond ....

How would the Agression Flagging work for this though? Say someone shows up to help ... how could they do anything more than function as a neutral repper (unless they are willing to take a sec status hit and are in losec ...)?
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-12-18 18:36:00 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
It's a trap!Bear


Exactly. "M'aidez" would be an invitation to gank or get ganked, yes?Blink

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2011-12-19 00:15:14 UTC
Gris X wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Why limit it to positive sec status? That doesn't even make sense.


1/ to allow players to react to something ongoing between players in their vicinity, if they so choose.

2/ To facilitate the capacity for the "good guys" to help other "good guys", beyond corps and alliances allegiances.

3/ Because CONCORD monitoring the use of this channel would prevent anyone with a non positive sec status to use or even hear this channel.

4/ There is also the ability to use this as a bait/trap, with the complicity of a positive sec status pilot.


1) This has nothing whatsoever to do with sec status

2) What is a good guy? We all kill tens of thousands of people daily. (Those rat battleships? Thousands of crew.) Anyway, sec status isn't a measure of who's good, I can go gank a load of miners, go back home to null and be back in positive standing inside of a day.

3) So I take it this is highsec only then? Why is that? If I can't have a 'help i'm tackled in the belt' button in nullsec, why should there be one in highsec, where you're rarely at any risk anyway?

4) So what? This again has nothing to do with your sec status, and is likely the main use of a button like this.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-12-19 06:29:23 UTC
I like it, but don't limit sec status. Mayday calls drop a beacon that lasts 60 Seconds and shows up in the overview, it's basic function is simular to how a cyno behaives in the overview. Then anybody and everybody can show up to save you or kill you and the guy attacking you. Would be a very interesting thing to have in game.

As a measure to prevent abuse, you must be agressing or agressed by another player to call the Mayday.

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#11 - 2011-12-19 10:10:33 UTC
I like it (but no sense having sec restrictions.) If you are literally in trouble enough to need to make a wide band plea for help its not like you're going to turn down the help of dodgy pirate types who arrive to pirate your aggressor as (as well).

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Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
#12 - 2011-12-19 10:39:50 UTC
The griefing potential this would provide would be immense Pirate

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2011-12-19 13:09:20 UTC
Takara Mora wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
1. get in a corp
2. fleet up
3. "I NEED HELP GUYS!" when **** hits the fan
4. The cavalry arrives



Velicitia is right .... but, many ppl don't have enough corpies online, maybe you're away from HQ, maybe you're outside corp peak hours, etc., etc. .... or, maybe you just want to encourage more group play and social interaction ... and yes, CONVENIENCE really does matter .... the same way 1000000 papercuts do.

Sort of seems similar to calling for help in LOCAL though ... but it adds the ability for other pilots to more quickly respond ....

How would the Agression Flagging work for this though? Say someone shows up to help ... how could they do anything more than function as a neutral repper (unless they are willing to take a sec status hit and are in losec ...)?



1. If you're outside corp's primetime every so often, OK, that's understandable (i.e. weekends because you were on early, or you had a day off or something). If you're constantly playing outside your corp's primetime, sounds like you're in the wrong corp.

2. If you're that far from HQ so your mates can't show up ... wtf were you doing over there alone?

3. As for "Not enough corpies online" , see #1.

4. Assuming lowsec ... unless they're blues, anyone who shows up will be more apt to kill the both of you than help.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-19 14:33:04 UTC
I don't see any reason why this idea couldn't be useful and worth the time. I do however disagree with limiting it based on sec status and location. Either the ship has a mayday function or it doesn't...period. Why wouldn't the system work in WH space for example? We have shared corp bookmarks in WH space and we can warp to each other just fine...PvP works in WH space in the same way it works everywhere else only we don't get the luxury of intel from local.

So yeah...ill support it but only if it works the same way everywhere for everybody. Yes...even pirates...

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#15 - 2011-12-19 15:19:44 UTC
I don't see a lot of point in this.

In nullsec, you can't even trust the guys with high sec status. Throwing out an SOS just tells them there's easy prey in system.

In lowsec, it's always a trap. I wouldn't help anyone there but the guys I'm already in a fleet with.

In highsec no one could shoot at them unless they've drawn a criminal flag, in which case Concord will be there at least as soon as the first player was able to respond. If they have a legitimate reason to be shooting you, be it war or aggression or kill rights, then the rest of us can't interfere without bringing concord down on ourselves.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-12-19 19:05:33 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I don't see a lot of point in this.

In nullsec, you can't even trust the guys with high sec status. Throwing out an SOS just tells them there's easy prey in system.

In lowsec, it's always a trap. I wouldn't help anyone there but the guys I'm already in a fleet with.

In highsec no one could shoot at them unless they've drawn a criminal flag, in which case Concord will be there at least as soon as the first player was able to respond. If they have a legitimate reason to be shooting you, be it war or aggression or kill rights, then the rest of us can't interfere without bringing concord down on ourselves.


I think what he's meaning is, if someone responds to a SOS call, they are already signaling their intention to be a good guy and try and save him so CONCORD would not get involved as long as he's not the aggressing pilot.

However, I can see this being abused all over the place, especially in Hi sec.

For example, someone canflips you and goes red flashy. You shoot him and become the aggressor so he hits the SOS button and all of his corp mates come and gank you with ease as CONCORD will turn a blind eye.

Really don't think this would be a good idea to be honest.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2011-12-19 20:46:35 UTC
If it's a replacement for concord: that means I can gank people and then use an alt to respond to the SOS, stopping me from losing my ship! Love it.

If it will allow me to invite people to fights where Concord wasn't going to show up: also awesome, I can throw an SOS and then when people show up to "rescue" my alt, I get a good fight and can use my alt for RR because it's funnier that way.

Basically if I'm given a mechanic like this, I will abuse the hell out of it to kill the gullible.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-12-19 20:51:48 UTC
lol...OH! The hilarity that would ensue! Now I really approve this idea!

It seems a little tweaking of the idea is in order to make it a viable one.

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D'Tell Annoh
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#19 - 2011-12-19 22:57:38 UTC
How would people be notified that there was a mayday call going out? I am imagining someone setting off a smartbomb at the undock in Jita and a thousand popups appearing all at once on every single player's screen that is within 3 systems.

Perhaps it could be something in local and it would appear on the warp to drop-down?

It would have to be unobtrusive.

Of course, someone is going to find a way to grief with this, you know that.
Goose99
#20 - 2011-12-19 22:58:46 UTC
D'Tell Annoh wrote:
How would people be notified that there was a mayday call going out? I am imagining someone setting off a smartbomb at the undock in Jita and a thousand popups appearing all at once on every single player's screen that is within 3 systems.

Perhaps it could be something in local and it would appear on the warp to drop-down?

It would have to be unobtrusive.

Of course, someone is going to find a way to grief with this, you know that.


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