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PLEX For Neural Remaps A Possibility Again?

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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#1 - 2014-11-09 15:57:23 UTC
In order to post here I had to re-plex a lapsed account to comment on the CSM 9 Summer Minutes, just to clarify it's importance to me Shocked

It concerns the following on the Session: Monetization in the minutes, also note:
"Seagull - Clarity that we're not going pay to win, we just want to offer more services to our subscribers"


I would like clarification from the CSM and / or CCP about monetizing Neural remap certificate

source: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf


During the Summer of Rage former CCP Zulu stated that selling neural remaps made sense to do.

source: http://nosygamer.blogspot.nl/2011/07/ccp-foot-in-mouth-disease-plex-for.html

Also, is opening the can of worms, the grey area of micro-transactions from the Summer of Rage back in 2011 a possibility again ?

Regards, a Freelancer

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#2 - 2014-11-10 00:23:36 UTC
Quote:

'Neural remap certificate.
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This is controversial, and discussion was had about limitations. Removal of attributes was discussed as well.'


That's all the CSM can really say about the talks with CCP, without the NDA rearing its head. (this is from the minutes)

We don't want to see a game where you have to spend RL money (other then your sub, of course) to keep up with people. I don't think anyone on the CSM will disagree with me there. (I didn't poll them this second, hence the hedging)

Neural remap lies in a slightly odd position, because it doesn't really improve your training, just makes it a little more flexible. (I'm not saying 'yes, it'll happen.' or 'no, it won't happen'. I can't say either.)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#3 - 2014-11-10 08:18:37 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Quote:

'Neural remap certificate.
-
This is controversial, and discussion was had about limitations. Removal of attributes was discussed as well.'



Neural remap lies in a slightly odd position, because it doesn't really improve your training, just makes it a little more flexible. (I'm not saying 'yes, it'll happen.' or 'no, it won't happen'. I can't say either.)


I don't know who told you this, but remapping your attributes with a neural remap can shave of multiple weeks of a year's skill plan.

Maybe in the near future with the Brain in a Box (state of BIAB) all attributes calculations will be removed and neural remap certificate will have a new meaning Cool

source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5166977#post5166977

Could you please elaborate on why you think neural remapping doesn't really improve your training Steve ?

Regards, a Freelancer

Eve online is :

A) mining simulator B) glorified chatroom C) spreadsheets online

D) CCP Games Pay to Win at skill leveling, with instant gratification

http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg

http://bit.ly/1egr4mF

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#4 - 2014-11-11 13:55:34 UTC
What I meant was:

If you're only training one type of skill, the remap doesn't help. Yes, I know that's really uncommon. The remap is adding flexibility to what you can train at full speed.


As a side note:
At the /very/ least, such a certificate would be able to be sold on the market.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#5 - 2014-11-13 14:48:14 UTC
To bring a sledge hammer to a dancing argument.

Neural remps are not a handful of SP for ISK. They are something that you currently gain in game and they are something that is occasionally gifted by CCP. For those who optimize skill plans and schedule a year out yes, they will shave a few weeks off of their training time.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

MBizon Osis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-01-13 06:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: MBizon Osis
PLEX For Neural Remaps +1, CCP is so backasswards they will never do this. They prefer to offer gimmick (20 days of game time just enough to need a plex to train anything useful) or the Nes store for dress up dolly.


And for CSMs you sure don't know much, with +5s ReMaping can save you up to 60 days training time a year.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-01-13 07:00:29 UTC
MBizon Osis wrote:
PLEX For Neural Remaps +1, CCP is so backasswards they will never do this. They prefer to offer gimmick (20 days of game time just enough to need a plex to train anything useful) or the Nes store for dress up dolly.


And for CSMs you sure don't know much, with +5s ReMaping can save you up to 60 days training time a year.

now, im not for or against this, but i wanted to step in and say

your post basically just called CCP "backasswards" for not implementing a system whereby you can receive a training time advantage through cash

just saying. you gotta watch your posts m8
MBizon Osis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-01-14 03:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: MBizon Osis
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
MBizon Osis wrote:
PLEX For Neural Remaps +1, CCP is so backasswards they will never do this. They prefer to offer gimmick (20 days of game time just enough to need a plex to train anything useful) or the Nes store for dress up dolly.


And for CSMs you sure don't know much, with +5s ReMaping can save you up to 60 days training time a year.

now, im not for or against this, but i wanted to step in and say

your post basically just called CCP "backasswards" for not implementing a system whereby you can receive a training time advantage through cash

just saying. you gotta watch your posts m8



It seems it is you who can not understand what you are reading. The 60 days saved is for a years training time. And the Remap timer is currently a year. You do know no matter how many remaps you use you can not save more than 60 days a year, right? Changing your remap under a years time will result in LESS TRAINING TIME SAVED per remap. Using more than one remap in an year will not confer an "advantage" to training time over the regular year long timed Remap. Being able to use a reg remap for 6 months and then change it up after 6 Months gives you no more saved time than keeping the Year long remap.

CCP want's to make things for micro transactions for RW $$$$. Re maps would make them that RW $$$. And the impact of cash for (training time saved over reg year long remaps) is non existant. The benefit to the players would be, they are able to maximize training time and not be locked in for a fracking year at a time.

CCP is not giving out any extra remaps to non new players, they are setting up the market demand if they know it or not. With out free bonus remap giveaways for so many years. The player base will snap them up like hot cakes.

just saying. you gotta watch your posts m8
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-01-14 18:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nariya Kentaya
MBizon Osis wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
MBizon Osis wrote:
PLEX For Neural Remaps +1, CCP is so backasswards they will never do this. They prefer to offer gimmick (20 days of game time just enough to need a plex to train anything useful) or the Nes store for dress up dolly.


And for CSMs you sure don't know much, with +5s ReMaping can save you up to 60 days training time a year.

now, im not for or against this, but i wanted to step in and say

your post basically just called CCP "backasswards" for not implementing a system whereby you can receive a training time advantage through cash

just saying. you gotta watch your posts m8



It seems it is you who can not understand what you are reading. The 60 days saved is for a years training time. And the Remap timer is currently a year. You do know no matter how many remaps you use you can not save more than 60 days a year, right? Changing your remap under a years time will result in LESS TRAINING TIME SAVED per remap. Using more than one remap in an year will not confer an "advantage" to training time over the regular year long timed Remap. Being able to use a reg remap for 6 months and then change it up after 6 Months gives you no more saved time than keeping the Year long remap.

CCP want's to make things for micro transactions for RW $$$$. Re maps would make them that RW $$$. And the impact of cash for (training time saved over reg year long remaps) is non existant. The benefit to the players would be, they are able to maximize training time and not be locked in for a fracking year at a time.

CCP is not giving out any extra remaps to non new players, they are setting up the market demand if they know it or not. With out free bonus remap giveaways for so many years. The player base will snap them up like hot cakes.

just saying. you gotta watch your posts m8

yah it does confer an "advantage", it allows you to maintain maximum skill training speed while ONLY training the skills you absolutely NEED for a particular ship/fit, which alot fo times in the year long queue most people are forced to either train something they dont need but has the same attributes for the last bit of the year, or they train something they need at a reduced rate.

and your post was literally that CCP was "backasswards" for not implementing "plex for remap", i said you called them backwards for not implementing with a tangible ingame benefit for cash that is unattainable any other way other than through cash-based purchases, something most of the playerbase has been against universally since the conception fo the game, regardless of its form.
MBizon Osis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-01-15 02:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: MBizon Osis
Nariya Kentaya the "implementing with a tangible ingame benefit for cash that is unattainable any other way other than through cash-based purchases, something most of the playerbase has been against universally since the conception fo the game, regardless of its form."

Is from a time when bonus remaps were handed out periodically. Why would the players think they wanted to have to pay for something they were getting for free, hence whining about it. It confers no extra SP over what they can do now(year long remaps) just makes the feature less clumsy. CCP will implement Plex for remaps they are setting to ground work for it, by not having had a bonus remap given in years. Even the remapping UI is set so if you have a bonus remap and a year long you can not even choose the year long first, CCP is forcing all players to use them up. The mantra of "unfair advantage" is old and tired.

And yes CCP is backasswards for not having done so by now. The longer they wait the less players there will be to buy them.