Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There are atleast 3 other posts about this topic. One of em is even on the first page.

Now that I get to read this over a bit more closely I'm not sure I should bother posting this because...

Notsureifserious.


If you are then I suggest you try again in one of the posts already on this topic.

If he's doing nothing, then it's not a problem, now is it?
Good news: no-one can (well, except for maybe the alliance leader, and the alliance members).
There are many such ways. Your alliance doesn't seem to want to employ them, though.
Because your decisions are not their problem.

I read the other threads on this, and they don't address the problem at all!

People just want to remove local, LOCAL! Are they crazy, thats the only way that we are able to see that they are even there in the first place.

And for those of you who say he's not at his computer, well i'm not his mother, and i don't really know if he's really there or not! One man shouldn't be able to sit in my system completely immune to being found or killed! There is nothing I can do to make him go away. Maybe cloaks shouldn't be allowed in my space at all!

"so I don't want to log onto the game anymore"

AFK CLOAK MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

O.K., let's face the problem neutral without emo far of the personal opinion (just to let know: I am using afk cloaking with my alt a lot):

You are mining in your system. When a neutral jumps in you dock up and stay afk as long as the system is clear. This makes sense if you don't have friends or another alt to protect you.

The afk cloaker is indeed abusing an advantage due to the mechanics. But in low-sec he simply could dock up and you need eyes or friends again to check out if he's docked or not. I am sure that most of the mining bears would stay docked, too.

In null-sec the situation is different. You just warp to your POS or Outpost and keep afk till the hostile has left bored. In this case the advantage is on your side. But an afk cloaker has indeed the bigger advantage here. He's able to dominate the whole system all day long without beeing active. Because you never know when he's decloaking on your mining barge and the game really doesn't work that other players protect your mining all the time. The random risk to lose a ship is no fun and no thrill. Hard and impossible to counter without a PvP alt or friends. An active cloaker never ever would waste the game time to stay in the system in hope to catch some rare fish.

From another pov the afk cloaker is doing something similar like someone who's using a macro: efficient gameplay without personal effort and playing the game.

I have to admit that afk cloaking needs a nerf. The only idea is to probe what would be just made for determent and NOT for actively hunting. Because if it's possible to probe down - what needs high skills, special probes and some fair time - the cloaker is forced to log. The method should be that hard but possible with patience that a cloaker moving around is impossible to catch.

There are so many fallacies in this part of the post it's hilarious. As I've said in at least 2 threads now, this change is simply because people who roam wants less risk and more reward. What they apparently aren't thinking about is that this change would depopulate null even further of carebears, negating the ease with which they'll be able to gank people, because the risk of nullsec will have turned into that of wormhole space, without the rewards. Carebears will just go back to hisec instead.

If you can't see this, then I'm sorry.

It's good to see you're about as well-tuned into why the act of removing local is bad, as you are about the entire nullsec population's opinions.

And you're part of the reason precisely why I'm in favor of doing exactly this, removing local, just so I can go back 6 months after the change has been put into place and laugh at you as you have an even harder time getting kills while roaming than you do now, because nullsec is even less populated.

As long as there exists the God-mode free intel tool known as "Local," then cloaking is working exactly as intended.

Try hardening the f up and forming fleets to you know, defend your motherfucking space? I dunno, just throwing that out there

Cty moar, pls?

(Nullbear tears keep my CovOps ships' windscreens nice and clean after all--and you know how important for space-traffic safety a clean windscreen is!)

Highsec is exactly where carebears should be. 0.0 is for PVP.

Troll or not troll, this mechanic simply sucks.

If he can dock, he's not an intruder in the system, so his AFK cloaking won't be directed at the inhabitants…
That fallacy is indeed hilarious, and it doesn't get any less fallacious or hilarious no matter how many threads you post in. The simple fact is that it works. It has already proven to work. Above all, it completely solves the “problem” of AFK cloaking for everyone involved.