These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Assembly Hall

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

less free intel
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Jalmari Huitsikko
Avanto
Hole Control
#1 - 2011-12-17 10:49:55 UTC
API and eve map both provide too much intel for free.

What I suggest is that if you actually want to know how many people are in system or where is cyno or where is incursion (outside hi sec) ETC. you should actually need to go there and check it out yourself.

I personally see no point why anyone should see on dotlan where people are hanging out.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-17 11:21:05 UTC
Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:
API and eve map both provide too much intel for free.

What I suggest is that if you actually want to know how many people are in system or where is cyno or where is incursion (outside hi sec) ETC. you should actually need to go there and check it out yourself.

I personally see no point why anyone should see on dotlan where people are hanging out.


Well the map is time delayed so I wouldn't take that as gospel as to how many people are actually in a system.

Not the first time I've checked the map to show only 1 person in station only to discover 100+ in system when I jump the gate....

I have no problem with it and I doubt many others will either.
Jalmari Huitsikko
Avanto
Hole Control
#3 - 2011-12-17 11:44:11 UTC
Spotting a moving fleet is bad example of this, even though you can use map for that to some extent if you have some experience.

I am personally using map and API for intel with good effectiveness and I do not think it is a good thing for my victims and I see no reason why I get all this nice information for free. Like I said hi sec is kind of different so I have no problem with map intel on hi sec, though, only low sec and 0.0.

I do, however, wonder if POS cyno beacons and active cyno jammers should show on map since they're sort of static structures so having public intel on them would make sense, at least much more than people docked or in space or heck npc's killed in hour. I think npc kill number is most immersion breaking of all.
Jeveriah Zhuchowski
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-18 22:01:42 UTC
Hey, we're entering an era IRL where the Internet makes it possible to get all kinds of information about people for free... by anyone who has the skills. It this were a medieval fantasy game, I'd say yeah, no free intel... but I wouldn't be surprised if it were to become possible to make that kind of an API in real life within the next five years... if not today.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#5 - 2011-12-18 22:48:51 UTC
As others pointed out the map is delayed. If your concerned about free easy Intel you should asking for the removal of Local Chat Intel as it dwarfs any impact by the map and dotlan.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-18 23:06:59 UTC
Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:
API and eve map both provide too much intel for free.

What I suggest is that if you actually want to know how many people are in system or where is cyno or where is incursion (outside hi sec) ETC. you should actually need to go there and check it out yourself.

I personally see no point why anyone should see on dotlan where people are hanging out.



You seem to be posting in sheer ignorance.


Allow me to point out the flaws in your argument.

1: The API Data you see is gathered from the in-game EVE Map... that information is then sorted and compiled (IE: Dotlan).
2: The API dumps from killmails are willfully given and not generated automatically.....not sure how Dotlans works but its not generally free.
3: API data is 5 to 15 minutes delayed.


Now I Ask you...how the hell is this considered free intelligence?

Intelligence is only as good as its accuracy...

You want to eliminate free intel?

Make local delayed...then we'll talk.


not supporting an another failed idea.

================ STOP THE EVEMAIL SPAM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78152
Velicitia
XS Tech
#7 - 2011-12-19 13:13:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Jeveriah Zhuchowski wrote:
Hey, we're entering an era IRL where the Internet makes it possible to get all kinds of information about people for free... by anyone who has the skills. It this were a medieval fantasy game, I'd say yeah, no free intel... but I wouldn't be surprised if it were to become possible to make that kind of an API in real life within the next five years... if not today.



Now, if we'll be able to just give (RL) corporations our API Key and not have to fuss so much with all the extra paperwork if we're looking for a new job... Cool

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Rina Asanari
CitadeI
#8 - 2011-12-19 14:05:11 UTC
Jeveriah Zhuchowski wrote:
Hey, we're entering an era IRL where the Internet makes it possible to get all kinds of information about people for free... by anyone who has the skills. It this were a medieval fantasy game, I'd say yeah, no free intel... but I wouldn't be surprised if it were to become possible to make that kind of an API in real life within the next five years... if not today.


Only as far as people put up their stuff (read the last word as any expletive of your choice) on failbook or similar sites. I have a good idea about what is readable or searchable about (and from) me on the 'net, which isn't very much. And I'd rather keep it that way.

And if you mean something like "hacking" (meaning gaining unauthorized access to data records) when talking about "by anyone who has the skills" I wouldn't call it "free", since it takes at least some efforts on your part and comes with some risks.

So your example is flawed. Even more so when it comes to anything military. Ever heard of 'operational security'?
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-12-19 14:09:22 UTC
Jalmari Huitsikko wrote:
API and eve map both provide too much intel for free.

What I suggest is that if you actually want to know how many people are in system or where is cyno or where is incursion (outside hi sec) ETC. you should actually need to go there and check it out yourself.

I personally see no point why anyone should see on dotlan where people are hanging out.


I understand what you want...but why? Frankly I would have to say no to this simply on the basis that we are supposed to have future tech in EvE. Future tech would allow for this kind of information to be widespread knowledge and easily accessible. From my understanding on the lore end of it, all of the information you see on that map is derived from the gate system. It is delayed for a reason as well...

Now if you want to limit information gathered through API I would completely agree.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821