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Caldari vs Gallente FW

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#221 - 2011-12-19 10:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Stalking Mantis
Andreus Ixiris wrote:


If you'd been leading Finland's military instead of Mannerheim, you'd have spent the entire war trying to capture St. Petersburg while the Russians were burning your womens and raping your villages, and blamed Simo Hayha for not being able to tank facebullets properly.


Wait.

I am always seeing you in the thick of all the factional warfare discussions 'weighing in' and mentioning 'your fights with the Caldari and Amarr' as if you have made even an effort in this war one way or another (aside ofcourse than massive forum posts left and right and arguing with anyone willing to engage you in conversation).

Looking at your Stats on the killboards (I would link them but people really should look them up themselves for a full grasp of what I am saying). I feel obligated to ask: exactly what is your role in these grand conflicts between the empires? aside from running level fours in intaki and losing the occasional hulk. Where exactly do you fit into any of these factional warfare discussions?

Because judging by all your input into these FW threads one would be easily convinced you are a great Gallente leader fighting for your cause, leading warriors into battle and sharing blood and victory on the fields of Gallente conflict.

I mean you got the Gallente warpaint on your face the neat looking Officer shirt and the Gallente Insignia in your background not to mention that 'For the Federation" look on your face all the time please do tell us. Curious minds want to know. What exactly is your role in these conflicts?

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2011-12-19 10:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Wait.

I am always seeing you in the thick of all the factional warfare discussions 'weighing in' and mentioning 'your fights with the Caldari and Amarr' as if you have made even an effort in this war one way or another (aside ofcourse than massive forum posts left and right and arguing with anyone willing to engage you in conversation).

Looking at your Stats on the killboards (I would link them but people really should look them up themselves for a full grasp of what I am saying). I feel obligated to ask: exactly what is your role in these grand conflicts between the empires? aside from running level fours in intaki and losing the occasional hulk. Where exactly do you fit into any of these factional warfare discussions?

Because judging by all your input into these FW threads one would be easily convinced you are a great Gallente leader fighting for your cause, leading warriors into battle and sharing blood and victory on the fields of Gallente conflict.

I mean you got the Gallente warpaint on your face the neat looking Officer shirt and the Gallente Insignia in your background not to mention that 'For the Federation" look on your face all the time please do tell us. Curious minds want to know. What exactly is your role in these conflicts?


I basically skimmed this. Too long, too preachy, too misinformed, didn't read.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#223 - 2011-12-19 10:38:10 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Curious minds want to know. What exactly is your role in these conflicts?


Last time he was in FW it went something like this:

- Damar is spotted in Intaki
- Andreus rages in local
- Andreus rolls his corp to militia
- After next DT, Damar is seen camping customs office Andreus likes to use.
- Andreus removes Mixed metaphor from Gallente militia
- Andreus ragelogs until next dt.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2011-12-19 10:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Last time he was in FW it went something like this:

- Damar is spotted in Intaki
- Andreus rages in local
- Andreus rolls his corp to militia
- After next DT, Damar is seen camping customs office Andreus likes to use.
- Andreus removes Mixed metaphor from Gallente militia
- Andreus ragelogs until next dt.


Actually, it went more like this:

- Damar is spotted in Intaki
- Andreus reports this to plexing channel
- Damar does nothing
- Andreus continues doing what he normally does
- Andreus spots Damar camping the customs office he likes to use, doesn't care
- Damar goes GCC on Andreus, obviously cares more
- Damar fails to kill Andreus' hauler
- Andreus continues doing what he normally does
- Damar swears to ILF he will "liberate" Intaki for the Caldari
- He doesn't

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#225 - 2011-12-19 10:49:29 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Curious minds want to know. What exactly is your role in these conflicts?


Last time he was in FW it went something like this:

- Damar is spotted in Intaki
- Andreus rages in local
- Andreus rolls his corp to militia
- After next DT, Damar is seen camping customs office Andreus likes to use.
- Andreus removes Mixed metaphor from Gallente militia
- Andreus ragelogs until next dt.



You serious? All this Herf Derf and thats it? Say it aint so Andreus. Tell us about all the blood sweat and tears you shed for the Federation.

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#226 - 2011-12-19 10:51:42 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Last time he was in FW it went something like this:

- Damar is spotted in Intaki
- Andreus rages in local
- Andreus rolls his corp to militia
- After next DT, Damar is seen camping customs office Andreus likes to use.
- Andreus removes Mixed metaphor from Gallente militia
- Andreus ragelogs until next dt.


Actually, it went more like this:

- Damar is spotted in Intaki
- Andreus reports this to plexing channel
- Damar does nothing
- Andreus continues doing what he normally does
- Andreus spots Damar camping the customs office he likes to use, doesn't care
- Damar goes GCC on Andreus, obviously cares more
- Damar fails to kill Andreus' hauler
- Andreus continues doing what he normally does
- Damar swears to ILF he will "liberate" Intaki for the Caldari
- He doesn't


Wait, you 'told' the on him?
Your Hauler?!
Customs Office?!
Tell me you have done more for the federation than that.
Seriously?!

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2011-12-19 11:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Stalking Mantis wrote:
You serious? All this Herf Derf and thats it? Say it aint so Andreus. Tell us about all the blood sweat and tears you shed for the Federation.


Well, the factual account of what actually happened is above.

Fact is, I was doing FW one and a half years before you even joined the game. My corp was responsible for recapturing the first FW system ever captured by an enemy (Odamia). We were a pretty damn competent PvP force and I used to lead roams - that's how I actually got most of my corp membership back then. Oh, I also participated heavily in the grand liberation of Gallente space from Caldari occupation in early 2010 (you know, when Damar was constantly assuring us that he didn't want those systems anyway) - but again, that was a little before your time. I'll forgive you for not knowing - most people also don't remember, for instance, that one of our closest blues, Duty., was responsible for training the vast majority of the successful corps in the early Caldari militia. Ironically, most of these selfsame corps left CalMil because they were "sick of the attitude of certain members" - wonder who that could be?

Basically, the main reason I quit FW is because I didn't want to turn EVE Online - that is, a game I pay a monthly subscription for to have fun - into a pissing contest where I was spending ten hours a day spinning buttons. Besides, there's no real need for extra people in the FW systems right now - Caldari occupancy is getting utterly roflstomped by the Gallente and to be honest that's all I care about. I get my PvP kicks from roams with blues (I've been doing a lot of those recently) and I get my ISK in a large number of ways, none of which involve orbiting a button for twenty minutes.

I am satisfied that I liberated Intaki once, and Damar has subsequently tried and failed at three major pushes to recapture it - two of which the Gallente militia themselves were certain would succeed until the very last minute. That's more than enough for me.

Oh, and on another note, I'm glad you noticed the look I'm going for. It's flattering to note a man as manly and macho as yourself still has enough of an eye for fashion to understand a motif when he sees one. Perhaps you should consider getting a navy blue dress shirt for yourself - I have one I can sell you on the cheap. Might I also recommend you switch up the lighting scheme you use on your avatar as well? I think options 1 or 2 would suit him much better.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2011-12-19 13:42:14 UTC
Oh, also, there was that one time when some Caldari dude got so butthurt about Mixed Metaphor's presence in FW that they hired mercs against us. We trounced the mercs so hard they felt honour-bound to return the money they'd been paid to kill us.

That was great.

Sorry, I just remembered that. Those were good times.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#229 - 2011-12-19 13:53:05 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Oh, also, there was that one time when some Caldari dude got so butthurt about Mixed Metaphor's presence in FW that they hired mercs against us. We trounced the mercs so hard they felt honour-bound to return the money they'd been paid to kill us.

That was great.

Sorry, I just remembered that. Those were good times.


I was willing to let it go at your previous statement and take it at face value. But since you are going to start saying things like the above I am going to start asking for API verfied killmails to back up your claims. If mixed metphor was such a decisie presence in FW please provide killmails to support this claim.

Looking at your past few months you lost a hulk and the last actual kills you got were Sansha in incursion fleets. Back it up.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2011-12-19 14:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Stalking Mantis wrote:
I was willing to let it go at your previous statement and take it at face value.


"His retort left me looking like an idiot because he was actually able to provide an answer, so I wisely decided to stop talking."

Stalking Mantis wrote:
But since you are going to start saying things like the above


"But my wisdom did not last long."

Stalking Mantis wrote:
I am going to start asking for API verfied killmails to back up your claims. If mixed metphor was such a decisie presence in FW please provide killmails to support this claim.

Looking at your past few months you lost a hulk and the last actual kills you got were Sansha in incursion fleets. Back it up.


This was in mid-to-late 2008. Like I said, way before your time so I'm not surprised you don't remember it - I'm also not surprised you're talking as if you're an expert on what happened back then (you aren't).

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Mixed+Metaphor

You have a quite frankly abysmal attitude so I actually can't be bothered to go and find the right page for you. Go back far enough and you'll start seeing kills against an alliance called Trinity Nova, who were the mercs who got hired against us.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Draco Rosso
State War Academy
Caldari State
#231 - 2011-12-19 17:03:15 UTC
Honestly Damar. If you left for the Amarr side of the war, why do you keep trolling the Calmilita?Your forum posts isn’t going to win Calmil any new members, instead is having the opposite effect. You achieved significant victories both in plexes and PVP. What the Calmil needs right now is fresh start and, the sooner the remnants of the old guard step aside the better it will be for everyone involved. Be proud of what you accomplished and move on.
Madbuster73
State War Academy
Caldari State
#232 - 2011-12-19 17:36:47 UTC
Draco Rosso wrote:
Honestly Damar. If you left for the Amarr side of the war, why do you keep trolling the Calmilita?Your forum posts isn’t going to win Calmil any new members, instead is having the opposite effect. You achieved significant victories both in plexes and PVP. What the Calmil needs right now is fresh start and, the sooner the remnants of the old guard step aside the better it will be for everyone involved. Be proud of what you accomplished and move on.



Damar keeps trolling because he is so utterly butthurt about the fact that he cant beat the gallente anymore.
He fled with his tail between his legs to Amarr space to fight with Amarr that already outnumber the Minmatar by 3 to 1 and also Minmatar has a lot of new players that dont know how to pvp and are easy targets for him.

So in other words: Damar is a coward and left Caldari. He has no longer the right to talk on Caldari Militia behalf.





FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#233 - 2011-12-19 17:43:04 UTC
Madbuster73 wrote:
[quote=Draco Rosso]

So in other words: Damar is a coward and left Caldari. He has no longer the right to talk on Caldari Militia behalf.





Oh the irony Madbuster, oh the irony.....
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2011-12-19 17:54:53 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Oh the irony Madbuster, oh the irony.....


I thought you guys were BFFs.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#235 - 2011-12-19 18:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Damar Rocarion
Madbuster73 wrote:
Damar keeps trolling because he is so utterly butthurt about the fact that he cant beat the gallente anymore.


"Avustaja is Damar's alt" = actual quote from your militia. So perhaps I still can, who knows. Maybe I really am Avustaja.

Among other sparkling gems from froggies such as painting PERVS as hub of multicultural cooperation with posts like "Kuolematon is comfirmed British, Unfamed II is suspected to be american". Reality of course was the we were all brooding and angry Finns Lol

Also, as far as Matars go, it's still the same faces which i've seen in every other visit to this front. Even Erectus Matari guys attempting to harass me are the same. So not exactly noobish enviroment here either.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2011-12-19 18:49:11 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Also, as far as Matars go, it's still the same faces which i've seen in every other visit to this front. Even Erectus Matari guys attempting to harass me are the same. So not exactly noobish enviroment here either.


Well, firstly, "harassment" is a pretty misleading and melodramatic term for what happens to you. Secondly, have you ever considered that stuff like this happens because of the way you treat people around you? Your terrible attitude and legendary lack of respect for your enemies is well-known even among people who know nothing about FW, but a whole lot of sources within the Caldari militia or ex-CalMil members, including a former member of PERVS inform me that your anger management problem and your disrespect actually extends into mistreatment of your allies and your own corp members as well.

Have you ever considered that a lot of people don't like you because, well, you act in an unlikeable manner?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Damar Rocarion
Nasranite Watch
#237 - 2011-12-19 19:18:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Your terrible attitude and legendary lack of respect for your enemies is well-known even among people who know nothing about FW


Why should I respect my enemies (gallente militia in this case) when they started personal attacks way back when I was just a grunt in the militia? I can be cordial to Matar since they have never accused me of pedophilia or called me something which comes from a dog's arse.


Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2011-12-19 19:29:34 UTC
Damar Rocarion wrote:
Why should I respect my enemies (gallente militia in this case) when they started personal attacks way back when I was just a grunt in the militia? I can be cordial to Matar since they have never accused me of pedophilia or called me something which comes from a dog's arse.


Oh, spare me the melodramatic whining. If you can't handle smacktalk, you really shouldn't be playing EVE. Furthermore, if every member of the Gallente militia can be held responsible for what a few idiots say, then the inverse is true and we can most certainly hold you responsible for every stupid thing the Caldari militia say. Besides, what happened to maturity?

Oh, that's right, this is the same guy who was openly accusing Gallente militia members of performing sexual acts on donkeys. Forget I asked.

It's not the Caldari militia itself - at one point there were a number of fine, upstanding corporations running with the squids. But all the people I used to respect in the Caldari militia have been gone a long, long time, and curiously enough there seems to be efforts by the current crop of malcontents and ingrates to forget they existed entirely. Isn't that a surprise?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#239 - 2011-12-19 20:57:36 UTC
Sometimes I wish those not enrolled in the Caldari or Federation militias would refrain from commenting on the state of the war.
NovaReon
Department of Moisture Evaporation
#240 - 2011-12-19 22:45:53 UTC
You know you guys are like attention-deprived housewives digging up whatever ancient happenings they can find regardless of whether they're relevant to anything at hand. Just sayin'.

I was in Caldari Militia for a while. I liked the corp I was in, but for the most part the militia seemed to be full of nothing but problems. I don't agree with Damar and his complaints about the everyman militia membe being a demotivated piece of turd, however. This is a game most people pay to play, and as such those people largely want to get their investment back in fun and entertainment value. Giving a good fight and taking on challenges generates fun, but it doesn't happen with the kind of serious job-like playing that Damar seems to promote. You don't motivate people with speeches and complaints like that. This isn't some 19th century factory workplace where you'd better pull your 12-hours shift for the King and country or else.

The problem with Caldari militia, in my opinion, stems from the leadership, or the lack of it. Blame the grunts in the trenches, and demotivation is the only thing you get. But this just applies to whatever long-standing nerd scene leadership - after a while people become blind to their own shortcomings, and rather just stomp on whoever doesn't see things the same way.