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Is Nullsec Mining Profitable in Comparison to the Mineral Shipping?
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Nikolai Ouroboure
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2015-01-09 17:45:16 UTC
When comparing high sec and null sec mining (in the context of large corporation fleets that aren't infinitely rich) how do null sec corps make a profit?

The obvious and age old problem is logistics, and afaik it breaks down into two/three paths

1.) Jump Freight the valuable minerals OR compressed ore
Positives: Full market price
Negatives: Only the valuable ore can be shipped, which cuts into profits substantially making it not worth the effort

2.) Sell to local corps
Positives: Instant sales
Negatives: Only what is in need sales, always the chance other corps don't need it

"3".) Jump Freight 'compressed minerals' in the form of T1 mods
Positives: Most ore out
Negatives: Lost mins reproccesing

So how does a mining corp that nets very large hauls earn a decent profit? I've researched this for hours but have found nothing that leads me to believe that being in null is any more profitable for a corp in comparison to just stripping systems in high.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#2 - 2015-01-09 18:28:04 UTC
Nikolai Ouroboure wrote:

"3".) Jump Freight 'compressed minerals' in the form of T1 mods
Positives: Most ore out
Negatives: Lost mins reproccesing


This isn't really a good option anymore after reprocessing changes.

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Ms Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-01-09 19:53:26 UTC
Depends how far you've got to JF it really. The big advantage to null mining is in the size of the anoms and the fact you can mine the same rock for a few hours before you pop it (in upgraded systems I mean).
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#4 - 2015-01-09 20:10:37 UTC
They build supers and caps. That's how you make money mining in null. Everything else, unless you have a good regional market, is going to be more effort selling than it's worth usually.

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Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-01-09 20:20:35 UTC
Also, null gets a large advantage to reprocessing, doesn't it?
Ms Forum Alt
Doomheim
#6 - 2015-01-09 20:31:23 UTC
Depends on the outpost and its upgrades, also you have to subtract the station tax.
Nikolai Ouroboure
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-01-09 23:08:56 UTC
So how could a corporation that mines primarily turn that into reasonable profit that is higher than just mining in highsec? Production? Or will the profits from using a JF pay out in the end?

Also I guess in that vein of thought, what about the loot from combat sites and resources from moon mining/pi in null?
Ms Forum Alt
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-01-09 23:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ms Forum Alt
The question you're asking is what to do with your minerals. You have a variety of choices here including:

(1) Selling it to a local builder (cap builders usually need lots of minerals), probably a sov holder
(2) Shipping it compressed to high sec and selling it there.
(3) Refining it in null, shipping the high end minerals back (morphite, zydrine, megacyte) - in a cloaky hauler.
(4) Refining it in null and building stuff with it, battleships, T1 frigs and cruisers - stuff people always need.

What you do really depends where you're going to be in null and what volume you're talking about. Note that it will be higher than high sec simply because of the asteroid volume you get in anoms in null (not the belts). You've also got the option of mining ice. If there's one thing everyone in null needs a lot of its fuel blocks.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-01-10 17:09:37 UTC
Hippinse wrote:
Also, null gets a large advantage to reprocessing, doesn't it?

Only in upgraded momma tar stations, otherwise it gets the same as the intensive reproccessing array availibke in lowsec.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-01-10 21:56:16 UTC
lowsec pos: 54% base refining
fully upgraded minmatar outpost: 60% base refining

"large advantage"

lol
Carrot Ironfoundersoon
The Positron
#11 - 2015-01-12 12:00:43 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
They build supers and caps. That's how you make money mining in null. Everything else, unless you have a good regional market, is going to be more effort selling than it's worth usually.


He can sell a lot of minerals in systems where there is l4 agents and manufacturing service in station. Like K3JR-J where everyone and their mothers are making Worms and Gilas 23/7 so there is always someone that need some minerals.
Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-01-12 19:29:07 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
lowsec pos: 54% base refining
fully upgraded minmatar outpost: 60% base refining

"large advantage"

lol


From the OP: "When comparing high sec and null sec mining"

Also: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5372977#post5372977


Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2015-01-12 20:14:15 UTC
Most nulsec entities are willing to buy all the ore & ice members harvest.
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#14 - 2015-01-13 13:23:34 UTC
Nikolai Ouroboure wrote:
3.) Jump Freight 'compressed minerals' in the form of T1 mods
Positives: Most ore out
Negatives: Lost mins reproccesing


As far as I understand the reason compressed ore fetches a ghigher price than regular ore is that its easier to transport into nullsec. There seems to be little point in shipping compressed ore to Jita only to have it shipped back to null. You should be able to sell locally at a good price.

Read all about mining shipping and prices here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369828
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2015-01-14 05:03:22 UTC
Import Mexallon from highsec. Export Zydrine/Megacyte to highsec. Build supercapitals for sale, plus other t1 ships for local use.

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Amely Miles
Second Exile
#16 - 2015-01-18 00:09:02 UTC
for making profit you may want to do what we do .... Spreadsheets \o/ .... we buy

PI
Ore
Minerals
Salvage

in highsec we pay -10% of Jita and in Null it's -20%. if you keep it profitable for you and not raping the corpmates then the majority of them will use your spreadsheet as they don't need to worry about hauling to market to get a good deal which would just be costing them ISK.

best to sell to you so they can spend the time it would take hauling to market and back in the field making even more isk for them selves.

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