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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#21 - 2015-01-13 15:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:

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A better corporation will present a tempting target alone in a (very heavily tanked) battleship somewhere, with only one other war target in local. We engage, your battleship warp disrupts multiple targets, and your eight rookie pilots in tech 1 frigates, destroyers and cruisers that have been hiding in a neighbouring system (or better yet, hiding in a wormhole) jump into system and dogpile us.

You might earn a few expensive kills, and you'll definitely earn our respect.

+1. A swarm of cheap T1 frigs shooting the same target (priming) is no joke, even if they all get subsequently popped by the other enemies, once they pop that primed pimp-fit T2/T3 they will have won the fight on ISK...

Even T1 logi and ewar is no joke now, and quick to train for. Hell, a single dude at range in a Griffin can give an enemy fleet a real ballache.

Throw in a logoff trap on the bait, and you are really cooking at catching the agressor with pants down...

Edit: Perhaps most importantly, even if you do all go down in those cheap T1 frigs, the loss is negligible, but the gains tremendous. You will not only increase self-respect, but the respect of others, and most importantly open yourself to other avenues of gameplay down the road you might never have considered before. Going all-in in cheap T1 frigs is like walking into a chocolate shop and at least trying all the different varieties, before deciding to limit yourself to a life of just eating caramels (pve)...at least you gave the macaroons a try...

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2015-01-13 15:52:08 UTC
Learn from it, embrace it and destroy all.

Become the predator...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-01-13 16:24:02 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Learn from it, embrace it and destroy all.

Become the predator...


Listen to Kane.

When the blood raiders have trouble killing people, they call Kane for help.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-01-13 16:29:21 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Does that mean we should accept how they are ...
... or maybe even adapt the surroundings to their weakness?


No. Accepting people for the bullshit idiocy called "individualism"
leads to a society full of self entitled idiots who don't care about improving themselves.

Pot, meet Solecist.
Solecist Project wrote:
The harm behind minimizing this kind of friction, as you put it,
comes from you simply putting a whole lot of different people into one box .......

... and you're not even really dealing with it.

You just put it away. Literally.

And you do that, by telling us to stay away.
Within our group.
Isolated.


What kind of person does that?


How many boxes have you put away by now??

Why do you deny me the right to be an intelligent human being?

I suggest you start posting constructively. We're all getting tired of your useless tirades and personal attacks.

OP, I agree with Sabriz. I have seen wardec corps do a complete 180 when their target corps put up a fight and actually assist them in their other wars. The typical wardec corp has many wardecs going at a time, and maybe 1/10 of them yields an interesting fight. Killing miners gets boring. Give them what they want, and they might just turn out to be a friend in disguise.

And as far as PVP vs. non-PVP, the original question in the OP was answered and I don't see any harm in expanding on his options. If a new player asked what remap they should use to train into a phoenix you would expect us to answer the question, but also provide our opinion on why that is a bad idea. New players need all the context because sometimes they don't know what questions to ask.


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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#25 - 2015-01-13 16:40:26 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:

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OP, I agree with Sabriz. I have seen wardec corps do a complete 180 when their target corps put up a fight and actually assist them in their other wars. The typical wardec corp has many wardecs going at a time, and maybe 1/10 of them yields an interesting fight. Killing miners gets boring. Give them what they want, and they might just turn out to be a friend in disguise.
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Quoted for truth.

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Maximus Martinus
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#26 - 2015-01-13 17:10:36 UTC
I hadn't anticipated so many responses.

Picking up on the comments about fighting back - it's apparent that there is a huge gulf between responder's corps and mine. 5 people on line is the record and usually it's just 1. That means that anything requiring organisation (like an armed response) just does not happen. Other than the occasional amusing chat it's not much different to flying solo.

Perhaps I'll revisit the recruitment forum.

MM

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Paranoid Loyd
#27 - 2015-01-13 17:14:36 UTC
Maximus Martinus wrote:
Perhaps I'll revisit the recruitment forum.
Good idea. If you are willing to fight, and no one else is, you are in the wrong corp.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2015-01-13 21:34:22 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
So your response is another attempt to tell people how they should play their game?

It's for some reason wrong to tell people to play the game with an awareness that their actions have widespread consequences?

You'd rather people play the game assuming nothing they do affects anyone else? Because that's plainly and objectively false and will typically result in negative outcomes for people.

You guys are confusing affects and consequences with competition. The two can exist in the same place but have nothing to do with each other, other than the fact that they are both happenings.

Interactions are interactions, Consequences are consequences. Affects are affects or the result of an effect. Competition on the other hand is a personal perspective. It's the lens through which you view: interactions, consequences, affects etc... One person can be competing with another with the other being competitive back. Two people can compete with each other. Two people can work together in a cooperative environment.

Is a married couple competing with each other when paying their bills together or raising their children together? Granted in some cases they do but those usually wind up in divorce. In many cases they are not.

Further he did not tell people that they should play the game with awareness he told them how when and where they should play and suggested I am guessing directed at me that I should play on the test server. I am not really sure where you get that he said the OP should play with awareness especially with regards to anything that I quoted or commented on because it just is not there.


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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2015-01-13 21:42:29 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


Sorry, but I do agree with Sabriz.

It is better to stand and fight then to run and hide. Not only will you learn from it, you will make great friends in that corp by fighting together through a tough situation and you will earn the respect of others (including your enemy).

And if you do not want any PvP. Don't play EVE / stay in a NPC corp. The moment you step into the world of Player corps, you know that PvP chance will sky rocket



Again what you are saying here is assuming that the person in question wants to PvP and / or is interested in earning the respect of others. Neither of which is inherently true. Granted my perspective is not the norm but yours in not inherent.

The staying in an NPC corp thing is decent advice to avoid war decs but there are reasons why someone would want to be in a corp and drop during a dec and indeed there are corps which allow that. To each his own and let the guy play his game his way.

Let me say there that I have no issue with people suggesting possible consequences to their actions just please stop telling people how they "should" play as if it were some objective thing that were the same for everyone when indeed it is not.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2015-01-13 21:47:55 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
There are people that just don't want to PvP if you actually can guilt them into PvPing they will likely get frustrated and leave the game. Not all people are the same not all people like the same things and that is good otherwise we'd all be trying to live in the same house on the same street and marry the same woman have the same job.......
so much crap ...
Please don't parrot all the idiots who don't think before they speak.

Some people can't stand up to themselves,
can't defend themselves, can be pushed around easily.

Does that mean we should accept how they are ...
... or maybe even adapt the surroundings to their weakness?


No. Accepting people for the bullshit idiocy called "individualism"
leads to a society full of self entitled idiots who don't care about improving themselves.

"I'm great the way I am." ... No, you suck. Improve yourself.

I very much think before I speak.

You can accept who you are and adapt / improve yourself at the same time. You don't have to summon self hatred to decide you want to improve things. Improving things also is very subjective. You are claiming to have some objective knowledge of what is good and or bad for other people which just does not exist.

I am wondering if you think before you post. Or did you intend to imply that you know what is better for others more than they do?

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2015-01-13 22:00:00 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:


The typical wardec corp has many wardecs going at a time, and maybe 1/10 of them yields an interesting fight. Killing miners gets boring. Give them what they want, and they might just turn out to be a friend in disguise.




Or they might just renew the Dec because they had fun. I can tell you from experience that giving them kill mails will increase the chances of the war lasting longer.

Creating an in game chat channel or another corp to join as well as several other methods are all valid tactics to avoid war decs. All of the advice about staying in the corp and fighting it out are clearly only valid if the person in question would like to PvP. While I respect the position and opinion of all the people in this thread that enjoy PvP and are suggesting that others do as well and also acknowledging that it is good advice for the majority of the people the majority of the time I am just asking that you understand that some people might be different than you.

I would not tell a gay man that he should give up men and date women. I would not tell a musician that he should give up jazz and should take up golf. I would not tell a PvPer that should stop PvPing and I would suggest that we not tell a carebear that he needs to PvP.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-01-13 22:47:17 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Cara Forelli wrote:


The typical wardec corp has many wardecs going at a time, and maybe 1/10 of them yields an interesting fight. Killing miners gets boring. Give them what they want, and they might just turn out to be a friend in disguise.




Or they might just renew the Dec because they had fun. I can tell you from experience that giving them kill mails will increase the chances of the war lasting longer.


That really depends on the reason you are decced and what type of kills you are giving them.

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