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Harder punishment for High-Sec carebears
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Solecist Project
#121 - 2014-10-12 13:54:56 UTC
Who is this Ripard Teg guy?
Can someone give me a TLDR?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Casivek Andrard
True Drone Expanse
What Could Possibly Go Wr0ng
#122 - 2014-10-12 16:11:29 UTC
Based on the current meta and risk vs reward, highsec is already the worst place to be and given that ccp loves to keep risk vs reward progressive as you go toward -1.0 then that would mean everything would get the same treatment so in effect it will change nothing.On top of that the current meta makes it where you are a whipping boy for some collition if you want to be out there.So most people just don't go out there on that reason alone.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2014-10-12 17:58:55 UTC
Casivek Andrard wrote:
Based on the current meta and risk vs reward, highsec is already the worst place to be and given that ccp loves to keep risk vs reward progressive as you go toward -1.0 then that would mean everything would get the same treatment so in effect it will change nothing.On top of that the current meta makes it where you are a whipping boy for some collition if you want to be out there.So most people just don't go out there on that reason alone.


This is false reward is ridiculously skewed in highsec's favor. The changes don't go far enough however; I would add NPC corporation membership prevents you from acquiring more than 3m SP and actively decreases your SP down to that amount if you have more than that.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#124 - 2014-10-12 19:09:13 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Who is this Ripard Teg guy?
Can someone give me a TLDR?

E1 ****storm.
he was the csm vice chair proverbial Fan in that particular scenario.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Marr21608
Doomheim
#125 - 2014-10-13 02:27:16 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Its only fair that both sides have their own thread.

Viola!

To start out:


  • Buff rats in belts. Give them web/scram/smartbombs. The longer someone sits in a belt, the stronger class of rat spawns in.
  • NPC corps of opposing factions are at war by default, mirroring FW.
  • Remove local. If you want to see local, youll need to be in a corp, and the corp will pay a tax to connect to the local intel.
  • Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.
  • Move ALL level 4 missions to lowsec, and increase the payouts.
  • Remove highsec incursions, or dramatically decrease the payouts. There is no risk for the current meta.
  • Ships in NPC corps must pay docking fees each time they dock up.
  • NPC players cant undock in anything larger than a cruiser hull.
  • If you are operating in a lower-sec part of highsec, you get pirate FACPO-style response if you have a super-positive sec status.
  • Killing a -5 or below in highsec adds "tags" to their wreck, purchasable by NPC's at CONCORD stations (similar to WH loot). Does not spawn if CONCORD is on the KM. The more badass the pirate, the more ISK his tags are worth.
  • Miners whom deplete a belt are fined, and assessed a sec status hit.


Edit: Allow players to JOIN FACPO corps. FACPO-players would be able to engage the same level of sec status player that would have spawned the NPC version. (-2 in 1.0, ect)


BWAGH HAAAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH

GWAGHHAHAHHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

BROUGHAHAAAAAAHHAAAAAAHHAAAAAAAHAAAAAA!

And I just died.
Crazy Renegade
Smugglers Run Inc
#126 - 2014-10-26 13:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Crazy Renegade
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#127 - 2014-10-26 13:36:28 UTC
Crazy Renegade wrote:
Just remember, you **** off us miners, and you will eventually be back in your rookie ships wondering wth happened to all those nice ships that was once on the market. I think us miners should go on strike for a month to prove a point 😎


Drill he terriers drill 😎. (Good mining song)


I laugh myself silly every time I see someone express this sentiment.

Do it. I dare you. Get as many of your fellow "players" as you can, and go on strike. Do it publicly, as publicly as possible.

Then watch as the game rolls on without you anyway.

That's the best part about capitalism. If enough of you quit that it makes an impression on the economy, the shortage will raise costs which will incentivize more people to mine, making up the difference. My gameplay will remain unaffected.

You don't matter.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#128 - 2014-10-26 17:40:15 UTC
Crazy Renegade wrote:
Just remember, you **** off us miners, and you will eventually be back in your rookie ships wondering wth happened to all those nice ships that was once on the market.
Just because people don't like mining doesn't mean that they can't do it.

Quote:
I think us miners should go on strike for a month to prove a point
Go on then, good luck with herding cats, it'll be hilarious to see you realise that you are insignificant and have absolutely no effect at all.

More money/market share for the people that have stockpiles of minerals and those that actually pay attention while they're mining.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#129 - 2015-01-13 13:10:25 UTC
Boo yah!

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#130 - 2015-01-13 13:26:43 UTC
(migrated from the closed thread)

This thread would not be complete without someone trying to solve the *problem" with an obscure new deployable, so here we go:

I want a new deployable, it would be called "THE ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION". If you anchor this new piece of equipment for example in an ice anomaly it will start a 5 second timer, after which all ships get sucked towards the deployable, can't move, use modules or warp away also all resistances get lowered to zero until someone goes suspect and destroys the damn thing.

"THE ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" should be new player friendly, because we all love new players and we should only create content every noob can use after 2h of skill training. So the price tag should be around 500k ISK per deployable. It should also have some insane amounts of EHP so not every griefer in a mission Drake can pop it with one shot and end the fun.

I think this would make Highsec a more interesting place and mix up the current meta.

What do you think?

Evil RatKid
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#131 - 2015-01-13 14:21:05 UTC
(migrated from the closed thread)

I LOVZE MUCH IDEAS HERE!

I think Concord should move to nullsec because that is where the bears live, that is where everyone wants to make the new players go, that is where everything™ happens. Concord in null will give all these new players the opportunity to live their EVE-lives in relative safety. Moving concord to nullsec will allow CCP to remove the possibility to shoot players in hisec altogether. If you are not an NPC, you don’t get to shoot the people who want to live their hisec lives in peace. Do you guys know how stressful it is for people to be shot at by other people? NPC Corp taxes are a deterrent to the enjoyment of the game. Get rid of them, pronto! Get rid of low sec, something either is or isn’t. This in-between twilight no-man’s zone is silly. Also remove Faction warfare while you are at it, who in his/her right mind does that?! Players are getting harassed 24/7 in that and it’s too hard. Make incursions doable for a solo player. We’ve been over this; people don’t mix well with other people. Nobody should be forced to play with sycophants and sociopaths like you. When mining, the ore should be transported to a station of your choosing instantly. Heck, if it’s possible in star trek, why shouldn’t it be in EVE? Ships should come with all the fittings included. It makes no sense for a super advanced super race to make ships that are empty does it? Plex gives some people an unfair advantage, remove please! Anyone who has more good ideas to keep EVE from dying (trust me, it’s dying!!) Please stay on topic and this may be C&P but there are still boundaries, so remember that. Oh and Veers and Kell should make baby and he could be the king of all biebers! And my killboard is best but you should be able to buy a good one on the jita if it sux like yours.
Many thanks you's for Heart/Thule making this post possible!

D.

Bear Like a baws!

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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#132 - 2015-01-13 19:03:30 UTC
Grrr, nerf/ buff something...Twisted
Oh wait wrong thread.
No, its the right threadBlink

Carebears = want someone else to fix things for them
Gummybears = don't tank ships (empty slots...ffs)
Bears = anyone not combat seeking.

I don't care what you do in Eve, just don't expect others to solve your problems for you. If you have tried every possible way to solve your issue(s) and cannot, then ASK what is left to try. When all else fails, now you can file a petition/start a thread/jump on a soapbox.

Oh, I missed
trollbear = Grrr *********

+1 Leto for trip to Iceland
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#133 - 2015-01-13 19:05:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
"THE ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION"


Very good then we can make it so gankers can drop it off, go watch a film, and come back to lots of dead miner killmails! I think that AFK ganking would not be as elite but the miners have it too easy to go AFK it is not really fair. So until AFK mining is abolished (ie, when we have enough minerals to last forever), it is imperative that AFK ganking be implemented.

But also carebearing needs general nerfs. We could have a "carebear timer" that activates after 10 minutes of continuous carebear activity. This would then spawn the special NPC "SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" on-grid, instead of Concord. The only way to clear the timer would be to lose your ship.

The timer can count up, until said ship is lost, and perhaps automatically add some kind of special bounty claimable only by outlaws, until the timer is cleared.

I am sure more can be done though!

[edit] assumed you meant "THE ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" should pop the carebears too.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#134 - 2015-01-14 06:56:26 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
[edit] assumed you meant "THE ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" should pop the carebears too.

Not originally, but I really like the idea of AFK ganking to balance AFK mining. It would only be fair.

So there would be a named version, "Renegade's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" and again, we like new players, so it would only be 750k ISK. It will have a second timer of 1min, if the deployable is not destroyed in that time it will release a toxic cloud which will start at 50 dps of AOE omni-damage and double the damage output every 30s. Once all the ships are dead around the deployable it will deactivate and stay that way until redeployed.

To complete the set, there would be yet another version, "Ima's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION", which will cost an additional 50k, has the same properties as "Renegade's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" but also loots the targets after the gank like a tractor unit. It would loot valuable modules first to maximize PROFIT. This way the deployable could also be useful to new players(!) who want to PLEX their account and just want to farm some ISK in a relaxing way after a hard day of work at the office. Some players many not come up with the idea to combine a "Renegade's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" with a regular tractor unit or are too lazy to deploy two mobile structures and we should respect that "play style". We don't want CCP to lose subscription money only because the game lacks this option.

Should there be a fourth version which salvages the wrecks and transports itself back to the gankers home station or would that be too much?

I am sure there will be some details that have to be worked out, but I am confident this can be implemented by CCP in ~ half an hour. I mean it sounds simple and I already did all the work by coming up with the idea. I am confident if CCP wants it could be on the live server after downtime today.

Evil RatKid
Velicitia
XS Tech
#135 - 2015-01-14 11:22:27 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Renegade Heart wrote:
[edit] assumed you meant "THE ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" should pop the carebears too.

Not originally, but I really like the idea of AFK ganking to balance AFK mining. It would only be fair.

So there would be a named version, "Renegade's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" and again, we like new players, so it would only be 750k ISK. It will have a second timer of 1min, if the deployable is not destroyed in that time it will release a toxic cloud which will start at 50 dps of AOE omni-damage and double the damage output every 30s. Once all the ships are dead around the deployable it will deactivate and stay that way until redeployed.

To complete the set, there would be yet another version, "Ima's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION", which will cost an additional 50k, has the same properties as "Renegade's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" but also loots the targets after the gank like a tractor unit. It would loot valuable modules first to maximize PROFIT. This way the deployable could also be useful to new players(!) who want to PLEX their account and just want to farm some ISK in a relaxing way after a hard day of work at the office. Some players many not come up with the idea to combine a "Renegade's ANCHORABLE ANNIHILATOR SINGULARITY OF MAYHEM AND DESTRUCTION" with a regular tractor unit or are too lazy to deploy two mobile structures and we should respect that "play style". We don't want CCP to lose subscription money only because the game lacks this option.

Should there be a fourth version which salvages the wrecks and transports itself back to the gankers home station or would that be too much?

I am sure there will be some details that have to be worked out, but I am confident this can be implemented by CCP in ~ half an hour. I mean it sounds simple and I already did all the work by coming up with the idea. I am confident if CCP wants it could be on the live server after downtime today.



You sure you're not an AFK Miner at heart?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#136 - 2015-01-14 11:36:03 UTC
Interesting idea. I think the deployable should have an option when launched to mimic other celestial objects such as Ice or other asteroids for the full venus flytrap effect. Combine that with a built in interdiction sphere to prevent it's hapless from escaping and you've got pure gold.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Darian Frost
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2015-01-14 12:04:52 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:


The problem is not the care bears, Tinu. The problem is the fact that someone in highsec is making more money than someone in nullsec.




The fact of teh matter is, however, that the chest thumping too-much-chest-hair swaggalicious minority who think they're too sexy for their kestrels are actually not the majority of EVE players at all.




What's wrong with the kestrel? SadPirate
Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#138 - 2015-01-14 13:57:49 UTC
+1 For Leto Thule

I live in Hi-sec, but i love war. What i do not like is people that whine that they have no pvp skills and just stay docked and complain during a war. I say GET SOME SKILLS THEN!!!! Any ways enjoying the thread guys good stuff.
Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2015-01-14 14:48:34 UTC
Carebear though I am, I like the bit about putting unaligned characters into their racial faction militia by default. It adds a bit of risk for us carebears, but also risk for faction enemies that want to come over and gank us.

Say you start in the civilian NPC corp, same as today, but your membership there is time-limited. After a certain number of days, if you're still in the NPC corp, you're auto-transferred to the militia. Likewise, if you quit a player corp, you go to the militia.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#140 - 2015-01-14 14:52:54 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
You sure you're not an AFK Miner at heart?

Why do you think I have a heart?

Evil RatKid