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Which medium combat drones?
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Jake Peters
ICT World Bank
#1 - 2011-12-17 01:42:46 UTC
Hey guys!

I'm Caldari, so would I be better off using Vespas, where I get a bonus to kinetic damage from being Caldari or would I be better off cross training over to Gallente Hammerheads which do higher thermal damage?

I'm new to Eve and I keep thinking that because I'm Caldari then everything I do should be Caldari and I'm not sure if that's quite the case!

Thanks!
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-17 01:51:56 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
Jake Peters wrote:
I'm new to Eve and I keep thinking that because I'm Caldari then everything I do should be Caldari and I'm not sure if that's quite the case!

It isn't the case!
For PVE, Gallente drones are normally the best bet. Completely ignore Amarr ones, as a typo in the code leaves them horribly nerfed, while Minmatar ones are unnecessarily buffed.
Jake Peters
ICT World Bank
#3 - 2011-12-17 02:03:02 UTC
Thank you! That confirms what I thought! Big smile
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-12-17 08:36:32 UTC
Gallente drones for damage, Minmatard for speed..
Ripper 5
Deep Space Exploration and Settlement INC
#5 - 2011-12-17 12:58:41 UTC
Jake Peters wrote:
Hey guys!

I'm Caldari, so would I be better off using Vespas, where I get a bonus to kinetic damage from being Caldari or would I be better off cross training over to Gallente Hammerheads which do higher thermal damage?

I'm new to Eve and I keep thinking that because I'm Caldari then everything I do should be Caldari and I'm not sure if that's quite the case!

Thanks!


I don't think this is true. THe getting bonuses for being Caldari unless you mean to say you have Caldari Drone Specilization trained and will be getting a bigger bonus on T2 Caldari drones. It does not matter what race you are. If you refer to the ship bonuses those normally only apply to certain weapon systems. I am not aware of any Caldari ship that gives bonuses to the kinetic dmg of drones.
Jake Peters
ICT World Bank
#6 - 2011-12-17 14:17:57 UTC
Yeah, you're right, I was confused. I thought the ship bonus carried through to the drones too.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#7 - 2011-12-17 14:58:20 UTC
Jake Peters wrote:
I'm Caldari


Just a quick word of advice, this means nothing in Eve. All it affects is your character's picture and about a day or two worth of starter skills. Since there is no penalty for training ships/weapons from another race, there's no reason not to unless you feel like artificially limiting yourself in what you can do.

Also, all drones are considered one weapon type (regardless of the race of the drone in question), the only time they diverge at all is that there are 4 racial books for the T2 drones (which simply means that you need to train the skills for all of the types of drones you want to use the T2 versions of). And as people have said, it's typically either Gal drones for damage and Min drones for speed (and Exp damage).
Jake Peters
ICT World Bank
#8 - 2011-12-17 15:29:50 UTC
Thanks for your reply. Everything's making a lot more sense now! Smile
Cletus Graeme
Shai Dorsai
#9 - 2011-12-18 08:17:24 UTC
Squatdog wrote:
Gallente drones for damage, Minmatard for speed..


This.

Also, until you have played long enough to understand the differences between the races just ignore them and look at the stats (ship/module etc). as that's what really matters anyway.
Goose99
#10 - 2011-12-18 20:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
This is wrong. For both Guristas and Serpentis, Caldari drones do more dmg than Gallante ones. Both are weakest to kinetic, with heat secondary. Gallante drones are better only against Amar space rats. Dps gap between Gallante and Amar drones are larger than resist difference of EM/heat in Amar space rats. Dps gap between Gallante and Caldari drones are smaller than resist difference of Kinetic/heat in Caldari/Gallante space. Gallante drones has the highest dps, Caldari second, Amar fourth.

For pvp, Gallante is bad despite paper dps. No player fit will have a heat hole, but many will have em/exp hole. Minmatar drones preferred, for exp and tracking, despite 3rd in dps. Amar drones situational, despite low stats, against t1 shield boats or exp boosted hacs.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#11 - 2011-12-18 23:05:06 UTC
^this, despite being OCD, is pretty much spot on.

I will add that when PVPing, I prefer minmatar drones because warriors can actually hassle iinterceptors/dramiels, Valkyries can hassle Vagabonds, and Berserkers can actually catch anything faster than a BS.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#12 - 2011-12-19 01:49:46 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
This is wrong. For both Guristas and Serpentis, Caldari drones do more dmg than Gallante ones. ..


Didn't know this for serpentis. I thought it was best to use thermal against them.

Also it seems to take longer using wasps than ogres against Guristas.

The only time I use Wasps is against mordus and caldari. Am I doing this wrong?

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-12-19 12:09:40 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
i know nothing about drones and i want to flame gallente as much as possible trol lol olol lollol lol.


Hammerheads are great. How do I know? I have goggles.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-12-19 12:15:26 UTC
Gallente drones do the most damage, Minmatar drones are the fastest.

The only time I ever see people using Caldari or Amarr drones is when they REALLY need to offset their ship's damage type makeup. Otherwise they're really not worth it.

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Abominare
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#15 - 2011-12-19 16:05:46 UTC
The correct answer is you should always fly with dishonor drones.
Kush Monster
Big Tobacco
#16 - 2011-12-20 19:46:38 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
^this, despite being OCD, is pretty much spot on.

I will add that when PVPing, I prefer minmatar drones because warriors can actually hassle iinterceptors/dramiels, Valkyries can hassle Vagabonds, and Berserkers can actually catch anything faster than a BS.

Trinkets friend wrote:
Berserkers can actually catch anything faster than a BS.

Trinkets friend wrote:
faster than a BS.

Trinkets friend wrote:
faster than a BS.


uhh no?

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#17 - 2011-12-20 20:31:53 UTC
Note: these rules do not apply to sentry drones. Only for lights, meds, and heavies.


Amarr: Lowest damage, I think they have pretty high HP...they're generally just pants, don't use them. EM damage

Gallente: Highest damage, highest health, lowest tracking speed, lowest speed. Thermal damage.

Minmatar: Lowest damage (aside from Amarr), I think the lowest health...fastest speed, fastest tracking speed. Explosive damage.

Caldari: Straight mix between Gallente and Minmatar. Kinetic damage.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#18 - 2011-12-20 20:36:11 UTC
Kahega is right, and if you would like some actual numbers and a sort of "newbie's overview" of drones, I have a blog post for that purpose. Duplicating all that info here would be dumb.

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-12-22 11:03:29 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


For pvp, Gallante is bad despite paper dps. No player fit will have a heat hole, but many will have em/exp hole.


Actually with a lot of PVP shield fits plugging the EM hole thermal is often the lowest resist.
Dark Pangolin
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#20 - 2011-12-22 16:04:43 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


For pvp, Gallante is bad despite paper dps. No player fit will have a heat hole, but many will have em/exp hole.


Actually with a lot of PVP shield fits plugging the EM hole thermal is often the lowest resist.




^ This

Also in pvp speed often means DPS...your Hammerheads are great but slow as hell...while they burn from ship to ship a set of Valkyries or even Vespas could already be at the target and get an extra shot or two off...

I have atualy started using Caldari Drones in pvp, they are a middle ground between Minnie speed and Gal DPS...and they are half the price!
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