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New dev blog: Important Information Regarding the Neural Remap Gift

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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#141 - 2011-12-16 19:12:02 UTC
I'm glad you were able to make a bad idea a good deal less bad (much like you did with POS pellets.)

GJ CCP

Hopefully you'll learn from your mistake and give a single gift next year with a more modest price-tag. Perhaps the following:

Hardwiring - Ferguson and Son 'AkJon' QQ-1

Slot 5
Resets skill training speed to 2700 SP/hr for any skill.
Expires (deactivates, self-destructs, whatever) January 1 at downtime.
Arte
Harden House Irregulars
#142 - 2011-12-16 23:50:45 UTC
BlinkThe thing I like best about this news is the fact that it was given to us at all. Blink

No background noise. No under-the-table stealth changes. No nonsense.

You just came out and said "we had a problem, we fixed it, now you know".

Keep up the good work.Big smile
yikees
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#143 - 2011-12-17 00:23:17 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
There have been questions as to which character on the account will get the remap and the answer to that is; the "main" character as determined by the highest number of skill points.


Baah, could you please change this to something the players actually have some way of controlling, like whichever character has a skill in training.
Lisan al-Gaib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2011-12-17 01:01:21 UTC
CCP one year ago:
Deal with it bitches

CCP today:
Give us two days and we'll fix it


=))
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#145 - 2011-12-17 09:28:55 UTC
did i just miss out on an oppurtunity for another remap threadnought?
i should pay more attention.

nicely done though :)

www.shipsofeve.com
Miyu Akachi
Abh Academy
Abh Alliance
#146 - 2011-12-18 23:54:41 UTC
Hi, first want to thank CCP for they effort of doing EVE a better game.

Now my doubt, I started playing last January, I´ve used one of the remaps, not sure when, maybe on february, when i´ll get a new remap (a normal one) ? still have one of the start remaps available.

Thanks in advance
CCP Pleognost
C C P
C C P Alliance
#147 - 2011-12-19 11:59:33 UTC
Hi folks! I just wanted to let you all know that the code update for Neural Remaps is now live, and you should be seeing the new Neural Remapping UI in your character sheet. This should help those of you who still have yet to make a decision regarding which Christmas gift to pick, as it presents much clearer information regarding your bonus and timed remaps.

Even if you don't pick the Christmas gift, the update should make the remapping system friendlier and easier to use. Hope you enjoy it!
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#148 - 2011-12-19 12:02:40 UTC
Thanks for the update.

And for all you doubters out there- yes it works.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#149 - 2011-12-19 12:06:42 UTC
Any word on being able to choose which toon it gets applied to?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mishatola
Atoll Explorers
#150 - 2011-12-19 13:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mishatola
CCP Guard wrote:
Ezurae wrote:
GM CiD wrote:
To clarify, the option to choose these bonus remaps, will be available to choose from, from 1600 GMT or server time. The gift of remapping will only be available to redeem on the 22nd of December.


ONLY on 22nd of December?? Does that mean if i can't login on 22nd of December that i wont be able to redeem the bonus remap later??



good work though on the quick change how bonus remaps work


Nope. The remap gift, if selected before the 22nd, will be applied to the highest skilled character on your account on that date. For the item gifts, we don't have any plans to let them expire so they can be redeemed whenever you feel like it as long as the choice was made in time.


Well i hope I can choose again then, cause my highest skilled character on my account does not need the bonus remap!

OopsTHIS IS A SILLY FUNCTION, WHY CAN'T WE CHOSE THE CHARACTER TO GIVE THE REMAP TO?OopsTwisted

I haven't trained my character with the highest skill points in over a year. (for any length of time). I think she still has unapplied skill points from the unlearning of the learning skills...

My expectation when i was choosing the gift was to see us given a choice of which character to give it too, or to have it in the redeem process, or to be given to all characters. This is just illogical.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#151 - 2011-12-19 18:10:29 UTC
Here's a question.

Let's say a character hasn't used a neural remap in several years, and has 3 "normal" remaps accumulated. Is it possible to use one to remap into different attributes for a few months and then use a second remap 4 months later? The devblog implied that the "cooldown" was a year from the last time you used a remap. This makes no sense at all, as accumulated normal remaps would then be completely useless. My understanding was that you got a new remap every 12 months, and you could use them whenever and however you liked.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#152 - 2011-12-19 19:01:00 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
Here's a question.

Let's say a character hasn't used a neural remap in several years, and has 3 "normal" remaps accumulated. Is it possible to use one to remap into different attributes for a few months and then use a second remap 4 months later? The devblog implied that the "cooldown" was a year from the last time you used a remap. This makes no sense at all, as accumulated normal remaps would then be completely useless. My understanding was that you got a new remap every 12 months, and you could use them whenever and however you liked.



Current (well previous) mechanics were that you got a new remap 12 months after you ran out of remaps. New mechanics, you get a new normal remap 12 months after you use your normal remap. They don't accumulate, and using Bonus maps don't affect the timer.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2011-12-20 16:20:40 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Current (well previous) mechanics were that you got a new remap 12 months after you ran out of remaps. New mechanics, you get a new normal remap 12 months after you use your normal remap. They don't accumulate, and using Bonus maps don't affect the timer.



I would love that to be the case, however it seems its not... here you go:

CCP Pleognost wrote:


Under the current system, the timer re-starts each time you remap, regardless of whether it's a standard or bonus remap. Once the new code hits, you'll see your timer as well as the number of remaps remaining.

So, if you last remapped in June, even if it was a bonus remap, you'll next be able to use your timed remap in June 2012. Your timer right now is the time you last remapped, plus one year.

The new code will fix both the timer being reset every remap and the UI not showing you all the relevant information, as I've described earlier in this thread. Smile
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#154 - 2011-12-20 17:48:51 UTC
Atreides Leto wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

Current (well previous) mechanics were that you got a new remap 12 months after you ran out of remaps. New mechanics, you get a new normal remap 12 months after you use your normal remap. They don't accumulate, and using Bonus maps don't affect the timer.



I would love that to be the case, however it seems its not... here you go:

CCP Pleognost wrote:


Under the current system, the timer re-starts each time you remap, regardless of whether it's a standard or bonus remap. Once the new code hits, you'll see your timer as well as the number of remaps remaining.



Under the old code (Pleognost's "current system"), at the end of the 12 month timer you would only get a new remap if you had none left. And each remap use reset the timer. The result of that combination was that you got 1 new remap 12 months after you used up all your remaps.

Under the new code (Pleog's "new code"), there are 2 types of remaps. Normal remaps of which you get a new one 12 months after using it, and Bonus remaps whose use do not affect the normal remap timer. The timer Pleog refers to is the normal remap timer, the remaps remaining refers to the bonus remaps (and the normal remap if availiable).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2011-12-20 18:20:58 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


Under the old code (Pleognost's "current system"), at the end of the 12 month timer you would only get a new remap if you had none left. And each remap use reset the timer. The result of that combination was that you got 1 new remap 12 months after you used up all your remaps.

Under the new code (Pleog's "new code"), there are 2 types of remaps. Normal remaps of which you get a new one 12 months after using it, and Bonus remaps whose use do not affect the normal remap timer. The timer Pleog refers to is the normal remap timer, the remaps remaining refers to the bonus remaps (and the normal remap if availiable).



I'm hoping you are correct, I still have the interpretation that it resets every time you use any kind of remap, hope I'm wrong.

So if your way is correct, the char I have has the remap showing as:

Neural Remap Available: NOW

Bonus Remaps Available: 1

After the 22nd I will have a number two ( 2 ) in the bonus part, if I happen to use one of the bonus it will still not touch the “Neural Remap Available: NOW” part ??? It will remain as is up until you have used all bonus remaps.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#156 - 2011-12-20 18:25:13 UTC
Atreides Leto wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:


Under the old code (Pleognost's "current system"), at the end of the 12 month timer you would only get a new remap if you had none left. And each remap use reset the timer. The result of that combination was that you got 1 new remap 12 months after you used up all your remaps.

Under the new code (Pleog's "new code"), there are 2 types of remaps. Normal remaps of which you get a new one 12 months after using it, and Bonus remaps whose use do not affect the normal remap timer. The timer Pleog refers to is the normal remap timer, the remaps remaining refers to the bonus remaps (and the normal remap if availiable).



I'm hoping you are correct, I still have the interpretation that it resets every time you use any kind of remap, hope I'm wrong.

So if your way is correct, the char I have has the remap showing as:

Neural Remap Available: NOW

Bonus Remaps Available: 1

After the 22nd I will have a number two ( 2 ) in the bonus part, if I happen to use one of the bonus it will still not touch the “Neural Remap Available: NOW” part ??? It will remain as is up until you have used all bonus remaps.


It will use your normal remap first. Which is better. Use it today and you get another normal remap on or around Dec 20, 2012. Wether you use your bonus remaps before then or not doesn't affect anything.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2011-12-20 18:38:17 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

It will use your normal remap first. Which is better. Use it today and you get another normal remap on or around Dec 20, 2012. Wether you use your bonus remaps before then or not doesn't affect anything.




So, now you got me even more confused Oops

In other words, you're saying that under the new system “if” you have the remap status at “NOW” when you use a bonus remap the system will not acknowledge that and will use the normal remap timer instead?

Don't I have an option to choose which one to use?

I ask all this cause I'm planning on using two bonus remaps that will take about 231 days, at that time I intend to use my normal remap that will be available if it remains at “NOW” status.

I'm not sure I've explained myself correctly X
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#158 - 2011-12-20 18:44:17 UTC
Atreides Leto wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:

It will use your normal remap first. Which is better. Use it today and you get another normal remap on or around Dec 20, 2012. Wether you use your bonus remaps before then or not doesn't affect anything.




So, now you got me even more confused Oops

In other words, you're saying that under the new system “if” you have the remap status at “NOW” when you use a bonus remap the system will not acknowledge that and will use the normal remap timer instead?

Don't I have an option to choose which one to use?

I ask all this cause I'm planning on using two bonus remaps that will take about 231 days, at that time I intend to use my normal remap that will be available if it remains at “NOW” status.

I'm not sure I've explained myself correctly X


You'll use a normal map, a bonus map, and at 230 days a bonus map. 120 some days after that, you get another normal remap available. (Ends with a new remap available 360 days from now)

If you could use your plan, you'd use a bonus map, a bonus map, at 230 days a normal map, then 360 days after that get another normal remap. (Ends with a new remap available 580 days from now)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
ISquishWorms
#159 - 2011-12-20 18:51:56 UTC
Are these gifts available to new accounts?

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.
Atreides Leto
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2011-12-20 19:51:42 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:


You'll use a normal map, a bonus map, and at 230 days a bonus map. 120 some days after that, you get another normal remap available. (Ends with a new remap available 360 days from now)

If you could use your plan, you'd use a bonus map, a bonus map, at 230 days a normal map, then 360 days after that get another normal remap. (Ends with a new remap available 580 days from now)



Well, for me the point of the remap is that I may use it at anytime and to do some focused training on a couple areas, or whatever... Having remaps gives you that ability, the old way you would have “say” 2 remaps, you could do a quick focused training on some areas for like 145 days, after that you would use your last remap that would trigger the 12 month period to get available once again, that works for me, if now things become the way you say they will, what is the use of remaps then?

Why would I use my normal remap NOW option first? It seems obvious to me that anyone with that option wants to hold it for last, no? I don't want to start any timer at this time.

First let me use my Bonus remaps as I seem fit, when I'm out of the Bonus ones then revert to the normal ones.

Why creating such confusion with stuff like this? Why CCP?


PS: Why do you translate/mix remaps into days?