Ships & Modules

Hi,

So I'm about to remap for Gunnery and Starship skills. I've maxed most of my fitting, tanking, nag, targeting skills. I'm thinking of adding T3 cruisers to my training, but want to train the Int/Mem subsystems now while I'm still mapped that way.

I have no missile skills, and most of my starship skills are Gallente and Amarr, same with weapon systems; though adding Minmatar wouldn't be too much hassle (Vindi is sexy).

So I see most people seem to use Tengu, and a few Legion. But I rarely if ever see Loki or Proteus. Are they just not that great, or is it more a matter of Tengu is the T3 version of an Ishtar and flavor of the month (year?).

So I'm looking for advice on which T3 subsystems to add, or if it's even worth (without going Tengu).

I spend most of my time doing exploration in HS, with some LS but more WH. The rest of my time is mission running. I'd love to be able to solo some of the WH sites, but I'm not sure if thats just too ambitious.

Thanks for your advice.

best one for PVE is the tengu, if you dont want to train that best 2nd choice is the proteus, said that T3 are due for a rebalance to happen soon, so things might change.

I would say that second best for PVE is laser Legion. I've flown a PVE Proteus and you either have bad dps with rails or bad range with blasters, which means you have to slowboat all over the damn place to get within a few kms of the rats. Personal preference maybe.

bad dps with rails? maybe you missed the long range medium weapon buff?

No, don't think so. At the very least maybe not bad dps, just bad in relation to the alternatives of lasers or missiles? I seem to remember having a rough time with them the last time I tried.

Fingers crossed they get absolutely donkey punched.

PVE Tengu
PVE - ammo niceties and armour - Legion

PVP Armour:
Prot is armour best by far - cloaky good
Legion good armour
Loki - meh - poor tank

PVP Shield:
Tengu - 100MN or thick tank.
Loki - meh - poor tank

For now - Tengu and Prot best. But as noted, rebalance coming so train them all.

Yup, cause training 4 T3's given the impending nerfbat is a great use of your time...

Maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I understood it the original intent of T3's was to introduce a ship that was only marginally better than it's racial T2 Cruiser counterparts for a significant increase in cost, much the same way that faction mods work -- Not to create ships that are as strong as what we currently have, with Legions running 400k ehp tanks or Prots getting 1200 dps. If dev responses are any accurate indication, once this T3 rebalance hits we're in for a lot more generalization and utility, and less top-of-it's-class-by-a-long-shot performance in one or two specific areas.

Right now, I'd say the Legion is probably the T3 that best fits the original intent of being a high-utility, jack-of-all-trades ship, despite the fact that it's still capable of beastly tank and neuting power. Then again, I have no experience with the Loki. I don't want T3's changed any more than the next T3 loving dude, but all i'm saying is that the way things have been going...well, you better not be getting your hopes up for buffs.

It always annoys me to see that people whine and complain about ship changes. Eve is a game. We don't own it, we just pay the price of a daily coffee to play it. I can't speak for the rest of the community but I sure as hell don't invest enough of my time or money into the game that if something were to drastically change i'd get all bent out of shape over it.

Adapt and overcome, but certainly don't spend 80+ days training 4 T3's when we're on the cusp of a potentially highly controversial T3 rebalance

No-one knows when T3's are going to be rebalanced, I don't think it's going to be all that soon actually. What with incoming sov changes, it would logical for CCP to look at caps and supers first.

in my opinion you should definately train to fly a Tengu, just because it's good at everything. Missiles aren't essential as rails are very viable too.