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L4 Hi-Sec Mission Salvaging is Nerfed/Broken

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Ms GoodyMaker
DELAINEN SYNDICATE
#1 - 2015-01-11 21:20:42 UTC
I just finished running 8 L4 Hi-Sec Security missions in a row, dozens of Battleships and BCs killed - NOT 1 ARMOR PLATE Salvaged.

Did I miss something in a recent update that Hi-SEC L4 Missions will no longer yield significant salvage? So far that is the case. I ran several Hi-Sec Anomolies yesterday, and came away with a few Armor Plates from killing Frigates and Cruisers.

Thanks in advance for your reply.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2015-01-11 21:39:53 UTC
Missions against which rats?
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-11 21:51:46 UTC
does faction actually matter what salvage you get?

aka angel/mordus/guristas drop shield related things and serpentis/sansha drop armour plates?
Ms GoodyMaker
DELAINEN SYNDICATE
#4 - 2015-01-11 22:19:56 UTC
Running L4 Security Missions for Cal Navy, 8 missions, fought against all types of NPCs. Gurista, Mercs, Corpum/Faction, Serpentis, doesn't matter what type. Killed over 50 BSs at least, and none dropped an Armor Plate for Salvage.

I use a Noctis, T2 Salvager Fit. I used to get at least 15 armor plates per mission, sometimes 30, now I get zero.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2015-01-11 22:24:56 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
does faction actually matter what salvage you get?

aka angel/mordus/guristas drop shield related things and serpentis/sansha drop armour plates?


yep.

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Ms GoodyMaker
DELAINEN SYNDICATE
#6 - 2015-01-11 22:53:13 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
does faction actually matter what salvage you get?

aka angel/mordus/guristas drop shield related things and serpentis/sansha drop armour plates?


Not really, salvage does varry a little between factions, loot is something completely different, we're only talking about salvage here. You might get Trit Bars from Angels, and Armor Plates from Serpentis, etc.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#7 - 2015-01-11 22:57:22 UTC
Armor plates primarily drop from Sanshas. They can also drop from BR and Serpentis though in my experience that's rare. I've never seen one drop from Guristas or Angels but I'm also not entirely meticulous in such record keeping.

I suspect given the mix of missions you list that you're just hitting a dry spell. If it were 8 missions against Sanshas without a single armor plate I'd begin to be suspicious.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-01-12 00:55:27 UTC
RNG is r.
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-01-12 04:32:09 UTC
Ms GoodyMaker wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
does faction actually matter what salvage you get?

aka angel/mordus/guristas drop shield related things and serpentis/sansha drop armour plates?


Not really, salvage does varry a little between factions, loot is something completely different, we're only talking about salvage here. You might get Trit Bars from Angels, and Armor Plates from Serpentis, etc.

Faction does matter as it affects the drop rate. See: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/salvaging.php
Raymond Moons
Parallactic Veil
#10 - 2015-01-12 20:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Raymond Moons
Sansha's do indeed drop a lot of armor plates. I had a mission recently that I got 35 from and I've switched to using auto-salvage t1 drones.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-01-12 23:08:17 UTC
hmmm seems armour plates are far too valuable, methinks a rebalance is in order. Most other salvage isn't worth crap.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2015-01-13 00:12:49 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
hmmm seems armour plates are far too valuable, methinks a rebalance is in order. Most other salvage isn't worth crap.


meh. melted caps used to be 500k isk each, alloyed trit bars were the hot item for a while. I would assume the only reason armor plates keep their value is thanks to capital trimarks. Also looking at the market history graph they seem to have the lowest volume of salvage. With pretty much everythign else there is a high supply of salvage, and many low use rigs therefor low prices. there is a far easier solution which is simply don't waste your time salvaging.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2015-01-13 00:33:26 UTC
If you want to acquire salvage, run exploration sites.

Any salvage dropped in level 4 missions is incidental to the game economy and a waste of your time to acquire. (Exception of very, very new players, for whom it's an OK way to make 10 million ISK per hour).

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Ms GoodyMaker
DELAINEN SYNDICATE
#14 - 2015-01-13 01:32:28 UTC
In most cases, salvage and loot would be worth more than the bounties in a given mission, L4 Security easily gave 30-50 million in an hour, which is typical of most activities.

Without the salvage though, the value of missions has / would be drastically lower.

Anyone see anything from a Dev post about changes in salvage quality or quantities for missions?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2015-01-13 03:01:16 UTC
Ms GoodyMaker wrote:
In most cases, salvage and loot would be worth more than the bounties in a given mission, L4 Security easily gave 30-50 million in an hour, which is typical of most activities.

Without the salvage though, the value of missions has / would be drastically lower.

Anyone see anything from a Dev post about changes in salvage quality or quantities for missions?


5 years ago I might have agreed with you on that one. today however loot and salvage values are in the toilet. I'll drop a MTU on most missions and tractor a few wrecks, sometimes launch salvage drones. the value from that is well, almost not worth talking about.

I have a can with 31,504m3 of loot, the game estimates that is all worth 333mil isk. I've skimmed the salvage, implants, and meta 4 and greater loot a few times though, so it isn't completely accurate, but it is accurate enough for me to not care a whole lot about loot/salvage. my meta 3/4 can looks to have about 15,000m3 of loot at 261m isk. no idea how long that all took to collect as I used to reprocess most loot.

the biggest recent change was the reprocessing nerf so you can only get ~50% of materials back when reprocessing. as most loot isn't even worth the minerals it is made out of. Prior to that the addition of ships like the noctis and tech 2 salvagers and tractors, plus salvage drones makes if quicker and easier to loot/salvage. plus mobile tractor units. Now it is so easy and takes almost no time to get loot/salvage, and it shouldn't be a surprise loot/salvage isn't worth much.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-01-13 04:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Salvaging and looting level IVs is definitely no longer what it was. There definitely seems less loot and both salvage and loot are less valuable. The exception is the occasional special implant.

The best option at the moment is to "cherry pick" those few wrecks known to give occasional extra high value loot (Zor who sometimes give s a big implant instead of the crap one, the AE room 4 Silo etc etc) and possibly check any large wrecks that happen to be floating within a few thousand meters of you and ignore the rest.

If you do use a MTU filter its contents to something like above 100k or maybe 500k ISK and leave the rest behind.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#17 - 2015-01-13 06:37:00 UTC
Ms GoodyMaker wrote:
In most cases, salvage and loot would be worth more than the bounties in a given mission, L4 Security easily gave 30-50 million in an hour, which is typical of most activities.

Without the salvage though, the value of missions has / would be drastically lower.

Anyone see anything from a Dev post about changes in salvage quality or quantities for missions?



If you are running missions for the ISK (and let's leave aside the merits of that decision), your salvage and loot are likely to be significantly less than the value of the loyalty points from the mission. LP don't take anywhere near the time to convert into ISK either.

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erg cz
ErgoDron
#18 - 2015-01-13 13:16:21 UTC
Usual loot is not what it was, thats right. But in missions against other faction insignias make your MTU worth tens of milions. Salvage is not worth the time at all, but in repetitve missions content of your MTU is the thing, that provides element of surprise. So I do not salvage, but always loot.