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Counter to the Gecko Strat

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Lye Raynor
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-01-09 09:53:31 UTC
What is the best way to counter one of these things with another cruiser? Ships? tactics?

Anything helps thanks
Zifrian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2015-01-09 14:12:26 UTC
Lye Raynor wrote:
What is the best way to counter one of these things with another cruiser? Ships? tactics?

Anything helps thanks

Try the tactics forum for help.

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#3 - 2015-01-09 16:26:44 UTC
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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2015-01-09 16:30:38 UTC
kill the drones, its basicly a big vexor with a cloak.

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Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#5 - 2015-01-09 17:23:41 UTC
TD the Gecko(s)

You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed

That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing ****

Its kinda funny really Cool
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2015-01-09 18:13:59 UTC
Battle BV Master wrote:
TD the Gecko(s)

You'll be shocked how poorly they do once TDed

That and the player doesnt easily see that you're doing it and is left wondering why is very expensive drones arent doing ****

Its kinda funny really Cool

That's rather frickin' brilliant. They won't think to scoop their drones as they're not taking any damage, yet they won't be able to damage you.

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Battle BV Master
Bacon Never Dies
#7 - 2015-01-09 18:33:18 UTC
Happy accident messing with Alliance mates on Sisi Big smile

The other guy had no idea why his damage was so low and even if they figured it out mid fight. Calling the drones in and taking the DPS completely off the field is the only thing they can do. In a 1v1 Gecko's always come in small numbers its not that hard to do Big smile
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#8 - 2015-01-09 21:11:22 UTC
Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).

There's always a bigger fish.
atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#9 - 2015-01-09 21:20:06 UTC
Guys, is stratios any good in general as a cloacky PvP ship ? What worries me is that 10 sec sensor recalibration delay !
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-01-09 21:22:40 UTC
Killing Geckos is always good anyway. Even if you lose the fight they lose 30-35m per drone.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#11 - 2015-01-09 21:29:54 UTC
atomic killer wrote:
Guys, is stratios any good in general as a cloacky PvP ship ? What worries me is that 10 sec sensor recalibration delay !

yes it is, its great, you just need to account for it

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Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#12 - 2015-01-09 21:33:39 UTC
atomic killer wrote:
Guys, is stratios any good in general as a cloacky PvP ship ? What worries me is that 10 sec sensor recalibration delay !


That delay is reduced 10% for each level of the Cloaking skill. So, at level 4, the delay is 6 seconds. The covert T3's suffer this as well, and mostly it's fine.

Stratios can dish out some great dps for a Cov-ops boat, on par with the T3's, but it has a faction-cruiser tank, so it isn't the beefiest ship. The 5/5/5 layout gives great flexibility in fittings. Just fly carefully.

Also, everyone is overlookin the fact that the Stratios has a practically endless drone bay. You'll be trying to kill drones till downtime. Best bet is to kill or run off the hull, and then scoop those 30mil Geckos for your own use.Twisted
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-10 01:06:22 UTC
the way u get around the cloaking delay is by ramming the other ship at full speed to bump it out of align. You must be able to then kill the ship in question though or you've just fed them your stratios :p

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atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#14 - 2015-01-10 10:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: atomic killer
Guys, has anyone got good fit for solo Stratios ?
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-01-10 10:45:54 UTC
Fenris Orion wrote:
Geckos aren't very effective against ships smaller than Battlecruisers due to being slow and the aforementioned already poortracking. If you can orbit the Strat at anything over 1,500m/s he'll be forced to switch to mediums. If you're caught with web/scram, your best bet is to be fit with greater tank/dps (and I mean that mathematically).

There's always a bigger fish.


Geckos hit even frigates if they're webbed, not every time, but considering they can pretty much volley them off field it's not a big issue. And there's really no reason why a Stratios shouldn't have a web.

They also go above 2k and have a 6k optimal, and drone speed rigs aren't all that uncommon. You need more than a 1.500 m/s orbit to force him to use something else really.

They have awesome tracking. In fact, they track better than most medium drones.

Omni links are a thing as well.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#16 - 2015-01-10 11:21:08 UTC
As demonstrated in the AT Geckos also have a relatively low sensor strength and can therefore often be jammed more easily than the ship carrying them (and again the Stratios pilot has to be very attentive to realise what's happening).
So (if you have a spare mid) there are a couple of ewar mods to consider.
angelic Katelo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-01-12 16:45:49 UTC  |  Edited by: angelic Katelo
atomic killer wrote:
Guys, has anyone got good fit for solo Stratios ?


[Stratios, Stratios]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x10
Hornet EC-300 x5
Republic Fleet Bouncer x4
Gecko x4

Nanite Repair Paste x500
Tracking Speed Disruption Script x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x40
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2015-01-13 00:52:06 UTC
angelic Katelo wrote:
atomic killer wrote:
Guys, has anyone got good fit for solo Stratios ?


[Stratios, Stratios]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Imperial Navy Small Capacitor Booster
10MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Sisters Core Probe Launcher
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II


Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x10
Hornet EC-300 x5
Republic Fleet Bouncer x4
Gecko x4

Nanite Repair Paste x500
Tracking Speed Disruption Script x1
Navy Cap Booster 400 x40


That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#19 - 2015-01-13 03:14:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M.


you haven't looked in a few years Lol

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#20 - 2015-01-13 04:02:56 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
That cries out for a cheap faction scram to match the web ranges. The DG scram gives an extra 1.5Km base range and saves a couple of CPU too. Last I looked they were about 20-25M.


you haven't looked in a few years Lol

76m buy 83.5m sell in jita now.

A Caldari Navy scram is a nice poor person alternative

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