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EVE and Mac OS X 10.10????

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Cliverunner
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2015-01-12 13:04:19 UTC
Darryn Lowe wrote:


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CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves.



Sorry, but I have to call bull s**t on this. CCP is the one who advertises their game as being compatible with Mac. More importantly, CCP is the one who collects my money every month. CCP is 100% at fault for everything that happens with their game. If CCP is relying on a another company to make part of their game...and that company is screwing up...it is still CCPs fault (because they picked the other company).
Hugh Knight
Scordite Syndicate
Raravathian Mining and Logistics
#82 - 2015-01-12 16:10:04 UTC
Cliverunner wrote:
Darryn Lowe wrote:


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CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves.



Sorry, but I have to call bull s**t on this. CCP is the one who advertises their game as being compatible with Mac. More importantly, CCP is the one who collects my money every month. CCP is 100% at fault for everything that happens with their game. If CCP is relying on a another company to make part of their game...and that company is screwing up...it is still CCPs fault (because they picked the other company).



Mate pull you're head out of your arse CCP do support MAC just not 10.10 this is no different to windows with their different flavours as to the reason why it does not, well it does not matter CCP will support 10.10 when they finish the testing and can say to us mac users "yes it should work" you cant go off on one when they do not support it, these things take time to test. so wind you're neck in and give them the time they need to work out how their game works on Apples MACOS 10.10.
GM Smiley
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
#83 - 2015-01-12 23:12:08 UTC
We would like to ask that anyone experiencing any issues on OS X 10.10 file a bug report. As always, please provide as much detail about the nature of the specific issue as you possibly can in the bug report, since reproducing bugs is key in squashing them.

More detail about filing bug reports in general can be found here:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting

For any issues on supported versions of OS X (10.7.5-10.9.x), please file a support ticket and we'll take it from there.

GM Smiley | Game Master

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#84 - 2015-01-13 03:59:55 UTC
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Sledgehammer wrote:
The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet.

Ive heard Apple is close to coming out with 10.11. Yet Eve is not supported even on 10.10! Will we soon get to the point where eve is only supported on an OS that is no longer supported by Apple?
10.11 will be announced around June and released around September/October. This is how Apple has done it for a good number of years.

CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves.

I just wish CCP would create a native OpenGL port for Mac OS instead of relying on third party wrappers.

+1
There is this old joke

The patient holds up his arm. "Doctor, it hurts whenever I do this."
Doctor: "Then don't do that."

CCP: "We are at the mercy of transgaming to make Eve work on the Mac."
Then stop using transgaming and make Eve work on the Mac some other way.

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Pyfintlyn Lukqplm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2015-01-16 23:26:46 UTC
Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:
Upgraded to Yosemite this morning. Launcher and game seem to work fine, but my client hangs and eternally beachballs when I try to alt-tab out of the EVE client. :( Can't even access the force-quit menu to shut it down that way.

Same issue, makes it almost impossible to play. With no support I'm tempted to put my account on hold, since it is very hard to roll back from Yosemite.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#86 - 2015-01-17 15:05:29 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
CCP Sledgehammer wrote:
The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet.

Ive heard Apple is close to coming out with 10.11. Yet Eve is not supported even on 10.10! Will we soon get to the point where eve is only supported on an OS that is no longer supported by Apple?
10.11 will be announced around June and released around September/October. This is how Apple has done it for a good number of years.

CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves.

I just wish CCP would create a native OpenGL port for Mac OS instead of relying on third party wrappers.

+1
There is this old joke

The patient holds up his arm. "Doctor, it hurts whenever I do this."
Doctor: "Then don't do that."

CCP: "We are at the mercy of transgaming to make Eve work on the Mac."
Then stop using transgaming and make Eve work on the Mac some other way.




For those like this you can look at the "wine" version. The forum shows up normally on the first page. I have used it a number of times. Just no CQ support

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Tobin Risidan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#87 - 2015-02-03 19:06:56 UTC
Can anyone tell me if EVE runs anywhere close to stable on OS X Yosemite? I really want to update. EVE not working is the only thing holding me back :P
Cliverunner
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#88 - 2015-02-04 11:54:27 UTC
Tobin Risidan wrote:
Can anyone tell me if EVE runs anywhere close to stable on OS X Yosemite? I really want to update. EVE not working is the only thing holding me back :P

There isn't really a good answer to that question. Some people say it works fine, but many others (like me) still crash 4 out of 5 times they undock. The only official line we have from CCP is that Yosemite is not supported.

I have gotten EVE to run pretty well on Yosemite by downloading the PC client and using Wine to run it...but the official MAC client is still screwed.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#89 - 2015-02-06 08:02:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarisen Gream
Dear CCP

I created this post sometime ago. Though I haven't had any issues I can think of, others have.

It is time for you (CCP) to decide if transgaming's CIDER is best for EVE

Please take the time to work with other "wine/bottle" tools and their developers and find a new 3rd party to assist in supporting EVE on the all major OSs

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Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2015-02-06 08:50:59 UTC
This latest patch (15.02.05) has made my EVE Client so unstable that it is unplayable.
I have submitted a support ticket for this.

I have had problems running EVE ever since I got my new iMac:

2014 27" 5K Retina
4 GHz i7
16GB DDR3
AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB

Running 10.10.2

Prior to this patch, the client would crash in various ways a couple of times a day under a diverse number of circumstances, however the most common one involves an OSX Error window about a graphics error followed by the client freezing and requiring a hard quit.

Prior to this current iMac, I was using an older 2009 iMac running Mavericks. It was relatively stable but did still have problems from time to time with the client crashing, with and without errors.


But NOW, as of 15.02.05, the client is so unstable that it crashes/closes/freezes every 15-20 minutes during any number of situations (mostly seems to have problems swapping sessions). Now, sometimes the launcher won't open (spinning beachball), can't connect, or the client window simply closes with no warning/error. Other times the graphics get all scrambled and either entirely or partially disappear.

It is really disappointing that such a great game can't run on the newest high-end Apple computer, since this game was why I bought the new computer in the first place.

That's a LOT of money and time (not even counting the two subs I have) to spend just to feel irritated.

What's the plan, CCP?
Wirrarika Ajaw
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2015-02-10 10:55:27 UTC
Hi,

i updated my osx to development version 10.10.3 yesterday which made the eve client unable to work. It's developer version, so one can expect such behaviour, however being unable to play Eve is the worst part of it :)

If reinstalling your system back to previous version is a no go for u, i would like to note, that the process with installing/running eve through wine, as described in this post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=308083&find=unread still works and solves the issues with broken gfx, it will take couple hours depending on your connection though...

hope it helps o7
Erin Crawford
#92 - 2015-02-14 10:28:16 UTC
Sandor Kurovsky wrote:

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What's the plan, CCP?


I'm starting to suspect they don't have one...

"Those who talk don’t know. Those who know don’t talk. "

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#93 - 2015-02-16 06:34:45 UTC
Sandor Kurovsky wrote:
AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB

The patch notes indicate there's a AMD Radeon driver update in Tiamat. Hoping this applies to Mac users...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2015-02-16 12:20:26 UTC
For those of you who are running the newest iMacs or anything with OSX 10.10.#, be aware that, per the response on my support ticket: "CCP does not support OSX 10.10.#. We recommend you downgrade to 10.8 or 10.9"

Except for the fact that the newest hardware WON'T RUN on OSXs prior to Yosemite(10.10.#) - per Apple Tech Support, that 's a great idea!

No timeline for Yosemite support. They say they are "working with TransGaming (the folks who are in charge of the absolutely horrid CIDER implementation) to start supporting OSX 10.10.#"

So, we can do a couple of things while we wait and hope that Apple's next OSX release (and associated hardware) doesn't happen before CCP supports what is out now:

Install and boot into a Windows environment (not sure what the latest version CCP supports) and run the game. (This means BUYING Windows).
Try to install and run the Linux WINE environment and run the game.

I've read that the WINE solution comes with its own problems but at least is reasonably stable.
The Windows solution seems to be the best way to run the game in the "native" package and is the fastest and best running.

So, what to do?
I REALLY don't want to put a Microsoft product on my iMac, not to mention I'm not even sure it would run properly given the current 5K retina architecture.

Maybe, as Arthur points out, the new AMD Radeon driver that is coming in Tiamat, will solve many of these problems? Considering 90% of my problems are graphics related:

"Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000024 at address 0x7001c524"

I can only hope so.
Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2015-02-16 13:10:59 UTC
I decided to look at the history of what CCP is supporting as far as Operating Systems:

Minimum:
Windows XP Service Pack2/Vista - released August 25, 2004/October 22, 2009
OSX 10.7.5 - released September 19, 2012

Recommended:
Windows 7/8 - released October 22, 2009/October 26, 2012
OSX 10.8.2 - released September 19, 2012

NOT Supported:
Windows 8.1 - released October 17, 2013
OSX 10.9 - released October 22, 2013 (this is peculiar since CCPs webpage does not indicate 10.9 support even though they told me in an e-mail that is was supported)
OSX 10.10 - released July 24, 2014


Clearly, CCP is running about 2-2.5 year behind in their support of OSs, given that the last official ones they support were released within a month of each other in late 2012.

It is almost comical that they still support Windows XP from 2004 (especially since Microsoft doesn't even support it any more), but hey.....that's when EVE Online was created, right?


I will give them credit, however, since they DID say they are working on Yosemite support but cannot yet give a timeline.
Cliverunner
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#96 - 2015-02-16 21:41:36 UTC
Sandor Kurovsky wrote:

I will give them credit, however, since they DID say they are working on Yosemite support but cannot yet give a timeline.


That is actually good news. It is the first time I have heard of anyone being told that they are even working on the issue. I was starting to fear they were just going to drop the Mac when I didn't see anything about it in the release notes for tomorrow.

I find it interesting that they say they don't support Windows 8.1...that seems really odd.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#97 - 2015-02-16 22:27:44 UTC
Sandor Kurovsky wrote:
Maybe, as Arthur points out, the new AMD Radeon driver that is coming in Tiamat, will solve many of these problems? Considering 90% of my problems are graphics related:

"Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000024 at address 0x7001c524"

I haven't had that error in a while, but here's what I did to solve it on my end:
1. Open Settings and tab to "Display & Graphics".
2. Disable the "Use multithreaded OpenGL" option.

I'll let you know if I'm able to use the "High" shader setting tomorrow after Tiamat (as well if I still run into any occasional crashes).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2015-02-19 06:35:55 UTC
I thought I would let all of you wonderful Apple folks know that I have contacted TransGaming directly to inquire about OSX Yosemite support in their CIDER implementation and their timeline to provide it.

Do I expect them to respond? NO, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease and I'm one hell of a squeaky wheel.
Niko Zino
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2015-02-19 11:04:56 UTC
Just FYI, I'm using a beta version of Yosemite (being a dev), and it works just fine using the wine way highlighted in that other forum post : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4246623#post4246623

No instability to speak of.

However, YES, it's sucky that it doesn't work out of the box for a mac without using tricks. There is no planned support for DirectX on the mac, and the cost of transitioning away from it is prohibitive for most game developers. Cross-platform systems like Unity etc would likely suffer from performance issues, given the current art of the game.

So yea, my hopes are small we'll ever have a native port, and cider dependency is yucky. Use wine.

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Paupiette Devos
Orbit 500
#100 - 2015-02-27 10:08:21 UTC
Did anyone try to run Eve in a Virtual machine like VMWare or Virtual box ?

I'm really bored with Eve Client under Yosemite, cause it makes my mac heat like a b**** and running multiple client instances is just the best way to burn my CPU down...
Alt-tab freezes the whole system really often. I lost several ships because of this.

Oh and NO, I won't downgrade my OS on my pro laptop because of a game...that won't happen.