EVE General Discussion

Why mine Veld if I can mine Ark? Isk/hr is better by a margin that more than accounts for shipping costs.

Easier+Safer for the same reward = Better

More importantly, why mine at all if I can get CONCORD to pour isk into my pocket instead?

And plenty of Alliances recuit industrial corps. They're called Renters. PvP Corps support the alliance by directly fighting for Sov. Renters support the alliance by providing resources, Isk, materials, etc.


Moon Goo/Components are yet another thing you're forgetting you need to import.

Show me where I can find Tech in the south please. 200m isk finders fee.



How were your Indy toons going to benefit the alliance? Were you going to provide ships and mods at Jita prices? (nope) a small markup? (nope) a large markup (Bingo) Otherwise it's not worthwhile to do.

Convenient = Lower Opportunity Cost (and mineral cost via hisec), Lower Opportunity Cost = Cheaper, (in manufacturing) Cheaper = Better

I can't be bothered because it's (for most things) more work for less reward than doing the manufacturing in HS and importing the results. It's why I have nearly 1mil m3 of minerals from hauler spawns sitting in my hangar.

Keep coming up with excuses to hold the status quo.
There is a reason all the Alliances have ship replacement programs. Everyone in EVE is 3 ships from broke because all the wealth goes in to the top of the pyramid. If you don't have executor rights in a corp your just a tool for them to exploit and that's what every null sec alliance recruits, Tools to oil the machine.

I've gone to null 4 times rich, came back broke and the RMT/ cartels got a little richer with thier "war tax" and perpetual demand to have me losing ships in menial PvP that keeps thier production runs going.

Feel free to keep recruiting your meat shields, just don't expect me to waste my resources on your scam.

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All the stuff about tech moons in the north, I'd say we agree on that but it doesn't change anything I said about Cartels and High Sec POS's. Now we are argueing about things we agree on, creating Anarchy and completely derailing common sense, feeding the people who succeed at keeping Status Quo.

Jita Prices? I can't sell Titans and Carriers in Jita. Doesn't it strike you as odd that someone says they can make Titans and you think having them in your alliance is more of a threat than not having them in your alliance? That doesn't seem just plain wrong to you?

Communism. Working for the better future and all this... Isk/hr is not an way of life, its an fail of humanity.

Actually, alliances have ship replacement programs because they don't want line members burning out from grinding up ISK to replace their ships. I don't know what worthless, failed alliances you were in, but we don't have "war taxes." Our tax rate is always 15%. Are we peacefully riding bikes? 15% tax. Are our CSAA towers on fire, core systems SBUed and reinforced? 15% tax. No CTAs, no red pen nonsense.

Bad Forum, Bad. I SPANK UUUUU

So now, it's up to the Goons ? They are somehow to blame (again) for POS's not being attacked ?
Way to reason, fella.

PL, NC and others have been doing so for the past week or so.

Stick around, maybe they'll pay yours a visit soon.

And in the past 6 years I spent as much time defending goons when others bashed them as i do bashing goons for stuff like blue Ice wars. You guys can't fix Ice mining. Once you leave and you will because camping 2 systems is about as fun as mining Ice after a while, then it goes back to status Quo. Macro mining Ice because normal people don't want to mine it. I've often thought about joining Goons and yes I know how to do it the correct way. I was just able to forward think it and I came up with the same results.



I know how T2 gets produced and I'm aware how T1 and Capital get produced and you guys can't fix that either. The macro's hide in the mechanics and in the content we all use to make EVE a game. I don't know if you do see why past tense or if you are just trying to "win the fight" but I've learned that once we stop fighting there really isn't a whole lot else to do in EVE. It's a pretty simple matter of how long it takes. I don't blame CCP. It took them 8 long years to build the beautifull lady we call EVE and it took the sploiters and botters 8 long years to thread thier way through the fabric of the game. They are in your alliances, they are hiding in High sec and they won't go without a fight.

For what it's worth goons, you haven't hurt me with your blue Ice war. I have a bunch of Oxygen Isotopes in hangars and I use Amarr towers. It was a boon for me. I really don't have a clue why you guys dow hat you do but if you are having fun, keep doing it. I never undock anymore anyway.

Sky, Ocih, Ioci and whoever else is in this corp.

Boy, your responses sure are predictable and formulaic.

Well you could, realising EVE is (shock horror) only a game, go and spend your rl money on another game. Few would sensibly pay money to be a victim of continued cyber bullying? CCP would lose money and maybe the game falls-who would care? Pyrrhic victory for the goons (they may be over 18 but their collective IQ isn't). Plus goons are busy right now v Ruskies.