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TRUST NOBODY

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#21 - 2015-01-12 16:41:35 UTC
Solecist Project
#22 - 2015-01-12 16:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
People who say "trust nobody" are making themselves easy targets,
because they expose a lack of certain, universally applicable, social skill ...
... besides exposing a probability for a specific mindset. ^_^

Keep going! :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Mila Black
The Black Redemption
#23 - 2015-01-12 16:44:19 UTC
U seem mad

Aren't they simply helping you by applying the Darwin protocol?


Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-01-12 16:56:04 UTC

Don't trust people with something you can't afford to lose just like ships should be the "rule" but there is a bigger value linked by people to trust because of the emotional investment so it "hurt" more to be betrayed than just losing a ship.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#25 - 2015-01-12 16:57:10 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Trust isn't gained by giving something ...
... but by making the other person give you something.



Not necessarily. On some of my alts I join corps to help them out and get proficient at EVE and one of the first things I'll do is drop some "bait" so to speak, something worth 100-200 mil or so. I don't care about isk but I do care about my time so it's a pretty good test to see if they're worth my time and effort. If they do grab it I consider it cheap intel and simply leave or actually turn on them.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#26 - 2015-01-12 16:58:35 UTC
Sean Dunaway wrote:
Any suggestions on how to not die? What?



I have one. But you won't like it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Kalwas Denitas
#27 - 2015-01-12 17:04:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalwas Denitas
It's not always that you just can't trust anybody. Think of it as survival of the unit. The corp/gang/alliance isn't untrustworthy, pointless and full of people out to get each other.. they are just weeding out the ones hey don't like, eating the weak, strengthening their core. You simply didn't belong anymore. A harsh reality that many of us face if we don't pay attention.

Think of it like this. It was week 5 of Marine boot camp, lights out, and suddenly you were jumped by your fellow recruits, given a beating, and now you are at the local Starbucks crying about it to your fellow civilians who see only that you failed somehow. Try again, get over it, figure out why you were singled out and fix it. There is likely a very good reason you were targeted. Maybe you never improved as a pilot but continued to draw on the corp resources, maybe you were just annoying as hell.. it could many things.

I don't agree with it all, I just recognize the possibilities. And yes of course, you could have just been in a **** corp that never intended to befriend you in the first place..
Solecist Project
#28 - 2015-01-12 17:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Gregor Parud wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Trust isn't gained by giving something ...
... but by making the other person give you something.



Not necessarily. On some of my alts I join corps to help them out and get proficient at EVE and one of the first things I'll do is drop some "bait" so to speak, something worth 100-200 mil or so. I don't care about isk but I do care about my time so it's a pretty good test to see if they're worth my time and effort. If they do grab it I consider it cheap intel and simply leave or actually turn on them.


So far, from your own words, that doesn't earn you trust.
It earns you the position of a person who likes to give.

Most oftenly such position doesn't make you trustworthy, but a target.

Guessing, I do assume you try to test who is trustworthy?


When you write "I drop some bait" you don't really explain what you are doing.
Is it a can? Do you give it to them in station, via trade? etc etc.


If you care about people learning something from you with this,
then you need to explain the situation, the context and your intention properly.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-01-12 17:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Renegade Heart
Sean Dunaway wrote:
I have learned that everyone in this game is out to get you.


Not always, but in general, there are lots who will capitalize on opportunities that may present themselves.

Sean Dunaway wrote:
I have decided to make no friends and instead kill everyone I see, besides my real life friends who are in this alliance I will be joining. (It is nullsec)


Not blue shoot it - good idea in null sec!

I've also tried the don't-place-any-trust-in-people-I-don't-know-in-real-life approach and this explains why I've mostly been in 1-man corps. But sometimes it can be fun trusting random people. Sometimes it even pays off!

Sean Dunaway wrote:
Any suggestions on how to not die? Went on a "roam" with my friends yesterday. Brought my cynabal. Next thing I knew they were all shooting me. I nearly killed their confessor. I guess you can never know who is a friend. What?


I like to minimise risks myself here. I am not bothered if I get blown up really, just as long as when I do explode I've only lost something I was planning to lose anyway. Always have a plan for what to do after you explode!

As for knowing who is a friend, I've heard EvE stories of people betraying RL friends. That happens too! What is worse, sometimes you might think that someone is the most reliable person you know, but even they could still turn on you, after a few years!

Well EvE does have lots of risks, but really, that just adds to the fun if you play the game right. I don't mean that newer players can't play it right, like an "expert". By playing it right, I mean, playing a game to have fun!

Whether this means taking out a bank loan, buying a big stack of plex, and sending it all to an isk doubler, or PvP'ing in cheap t1 frigs is up to you of course.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#30 - 2015-01-12 17:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Solecist Project wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Trust isn't gained by giving something ...
... but by making the other person give you something.



Not necessarily. On some of my alts I join corps to help them out and get proficient at EVE and one of the first things I'll do is drop some "bait" so to speak, something worth 100-200 mil or so. I don't care about isk but I do care about my time so it's a pretty good test to see if they're worth my time and effort. If they do grab it I consider it cheap intel and simply leave or actually turn on them.


So far, from your own words, that doesn't earn you trust.
It earns you the position of a person who likes to give.

Most oftenly such position doesn't make you trustworthy, but a target.

Guessing, I do assume you try to test who is trustworthy?


When you write "I drop some bait" you don't really explain what you are doing.
Is it a can? Do you give it to them in station, via trade? etc etc.


If you care about people learning something from you with this,
then you need to explain the situation, the context and your intention properly.


An item in corp hangar station container, a ship in their POS, if they lack all that an item in a anchored can they know the password to. Or I'll lend them a ship, stuff like that. And yes, I'm doing it to test if they're worth my time.
Solecist Project
#31 - 2015-01-12 17:43:06 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
An item in corp hangar station container, a ship in their POS, if they lack all that an item in a anchored can they know the password to. Or I'll lend them a ship, stuff like that. And yes, I'm doing it to test if they're worth my time.

Ah I get it now.

You are testing them!
That's not the same as trying to manipulate someone into trusting you, though.


Tbh, it sounds quite of easy to spot, but I guess there's lots of talking that your post misses out here. :)
I'd love to know more about how this worked out for you! (:

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#32 - 2015-01-12 17:48:42 UTC
Sean Dunaway wrote:
I have learned that everyone in this game is out to get you. I have decided to make no friends and instead kill everyone I see, besides my real life friends who are in this alliance I will be joining. (It is nullsec) Any suggestions on how to not die? Went on a "roam" with my friends yesterday. Brought my cynabal. Next thing I knew they were all shooting me. I nearly killed their confessor. I guess you can never know who is a friend. What?


That type of thing usually happens to people who betray their corp or their friends.

So be honest, what did you do to **** them off?

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...

Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-01-12 17:49:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Aladar Dangerface
Solecist Project wrote:
Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse.


Trust isn't gained by giving something ...
... but by making the other person give you something.

I won't go into details... boring .....

Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D


Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ...
... to light up a cigarette ...
... even when it's right next to me ...
... I just say No and ignore them.

Reactions are hilarious! XD

If i asked for a light and your lighter was just lying there and you said no. I'd just take it.

If you can be a **** then so can i :D

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2015-01-12 18:06:27 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse.


Trust isn't gained by giving something ...
... but by making the other person give you something.

I won't go into details... boring .....

Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D


Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ...
... to light up a cigarette ...
... even when it's right next to me ...
... I just say No and ignore them.

Reactions are hilarious! XD

If i asked for a light and your lighter was just lying there and you said no. I'd just take it.

If you can be a **** then so can i :D


I need to start carrying lighters as a non smokers to break them before their very eyes when they ask if I have one.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#35 - 2015-01-12 18:11:29 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
An item in corp hangar station container, a ship in their POS, if they lack all that an item in a anchored can they know the password to. Or I'll lend them a ship, stuff like that. And yes, I'm doing it to test if they're worth my time.

Ah I get it now.

You are testing them!
That's not the same as trying to manipulate someone into trusting you, though.


Tbh, it sounds quite of easy to spot, but I guess there's lots of talking that your post misses out here. :)
I'd love to know more about how this worked out for you! (:


It hardly ever goes wrong, mostly because I tend to do my homework before deciding to help out some group. It's gone sour a few times but in about half of those cases they ended up paying dearly for that mistake.
Solecist Project
#36 - 2015-01-12 18:11:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Oh there's another thing certain people of certain professions like to abuse.


Trust isn't gained by giving something ...
... but by making the other person give you something.

I won't go into details... boring .....

Damn, I can't reach the ashtray. Could you random person please pass it over? :D


Hilarious fun fact about myself: When someone asks me for my lighter ...
... to light up a cigarette ...
... even when it's right next to me ...
... I just say No and ignore them.

Reactions are hilarious! XD

If i asked for a light and your lighter was just lying there and you said no. I'd just take it.

If you can be a **** then so can i :D

I'm not a **** for saying no. :)
You are a **** for assuming that asking me gets you anything.

I'm seriously still waiting for that one sorry ass who takes it .........


Edit:
Your thought of me being a **** highlights one of the issues people have without realising.

It's *you* who is the ****,
because you think that asking means you should get what you want.

No, you shouldn't.

Instead, when you just take it then yoj show not only that you are a massive hypocrite ...
... No... your sorry ass will get what it deserves.......

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#37 - 2015-01-12 18:13:23 UTC
Trust is one of the most valuable commodities in Eve. You can't just buy it, you have to earn it, and if you misplace it - it could be gone forever.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#38 - 2015-01-12 18:29:01 UTC
I trust everybody I meet and I never had a problem with that
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#39 - 2015-01-12 18:33:51 UTC
So, how many of them did you kill? After all the Cynabal is an awesome kiting/PvP ship.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#40 - 2015-01-12 18:52:04 UTC
"Friends" ask a PvP newbie to bring out a pirate cruiser on a roam, Newbie is surprised when "friends" shoot him.




Sigh. I blame Highsec, eventhough it was Nullsec, I blame Highsec.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

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