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Lockdown86
Night line Logistics
#1 - 2015-01-12 12:44:53 UTC
Sorry if this has been posted before, but im not a forum kind of guy and google lacked information for my question.

So you war deck a corp with a high sec pos,

shoot pos until 25%

POS goes into reinforced for 1 day 17hours

go to bed, come back, everything back online and and repaired.

so my question, a POS is 100% unbreakable if you log on every single day, and have a fleet for reping it when war targets are offline?

I thought the POS was unable to do anything until reinforced stopped not even repair, just sit there with its bubble around it.

can someone link or explain to me, what tactics are to kill these? its already boring shooting it down for hours let alone them reping it all the way back to full again. do we really have to kill them and stop them going in and out of system to starve the pos?

Thanks
Erehwon Rorschach
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
#2 - 2015-01-12 13:04:32 UTC
Once the pos is in reinforced it cannot be repaired. You have to wait for reinforced to end then repair it and re-stront it.

Did you go to the wrong pos? Was it definitely reinforced?

I guess the only option is to repeat it and screen shot it being re-inforced with date/time and then go back before it ends and do the same.

Maybe you got your timing wrong?

Because your mum just couldn't say no.

Lockdown86
Night line Logistics
#3 - 2015-01-12 13:13:56 UTC
Erehwon Rorschach wrote:
Once the pos is in reinforced it cannot be repaired. You have to wait for reinforced to end then repair it and re-stront it.

Did you go to the wrong pos? Was it definitely reinforced?

I guess the only option is to repeat it and screen shot it being re-inforced with date/time and then go back before it ends and do the same.

Maybe you got your timing wrong?



Thanks for your reply, it was 100% reinforced mate, it unlocked on our targets, and we were not able to lock it again, and it had a timer on it, Im a noob when it comes to POS's but i was 100% sure it was not able to fix a reinforced pos, even using RR?

we are now attacking the modules AGAIN to see, while they are in local, so hopefully this time it goes to 25% we kill it or it goes to 25% again? is this a bug that needs reporting?

Thank you
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2015-01-12 13:22:38 UTC
Was the timer definitely 1 day and 17 hours?

The timer is not fixed, that is simply it's maximum, it depends on how much Strontium they had inside the tower. If they took some of the Stront out they could have dropped the timer down to say 7-8 hours then repped it when you were offline.

Are you sure it isn't actually still reinforced? I think you can still drop new guns or repair those which are damaged if you still have the cpu/grid.

You didn't warp to a second tower of theirs?
Lockdown86
Night line Logistics
#5 - 2015-01-12 13:32:50 UTC
Kev Ftw wrote:
Was the timer definitely 1 day and 17 hours?

The timer is not fixed, that is simply it's maximum, it depends on how much Strontium they had inside the tower. If they took some of the Stront out they could have dropped the timer down to say 7-8 hours then repped it when you were offline.

Are you sure it isn't actually still reinforced? I think you can still drop new guns or repair those which are damaged if you still have the cpu/grid.

You didn't warp to a second tower of theirs?


sorry miss communication with someone on team speak, it has 1day 3hours, he said it was all repaired, but what he ment was all the guns have been repaired, so yeah, it has 1day 3 hours left, what happens when that gets to 0? we can carry on shooting? or do we need to be online to make sure they dont fix it? thanks for your reply
Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#6 - 2015-01-12 13:38:46 UTC
When it reaches 0 it comes out of reinforced, you can continue shooting it, they can start repairing it.
If they repair shields above 50% they can add more Strontium which means it will go into reinforced again at 25%.

They can also offline/unanchor modules if they get it above 50% shields, so if they have a lot of expensive modules or assets in sma/hangar you can bet they'll be hauling it to the nearest station asap.

If they don't get shields above 50% they can unfortunately still access silos/hangars/labs and scuttle any assets or materials inside, so don't get your hopes up for anything expensive dropping if you do blow the tower up.
Erehwon Rorschach
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
#7 - 2015-01-12 13:46:30 UTC
You need to ideally be setup and ready to counter any repair efforts they make when the timer is due to run out. You'll have sometime before they can get it repped up (obviously if they bring a ton of friends in logi then they could do it quite quickly)

In the mean time they cannot make any repairs to the tower itself.

GL and hopefully you'll also get a good fight from your efforts.

Because your mum just couldn't say no.

Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#8 - 2015-01-12 22:14:02 UTC
This is how an online POS ideally shoot goes.

1. Incapacitate any guns/EWar batteries. (Optional)
2. Shoot the shields until they hit 25%, at which point the tower is reinforced.
3. Wait out the reinforcement timer (assuming the owners loaded Stront).
4. Finish shooting the POS. (No, the structure doesn't really have 99% resists, they have 0% when you shoot them.)
5. Loot the juicy bits inside the former shield, either by shooting them and taking what drops, or by unanchoring/scooping them for sale.

Some random things to know:

While the tower is in reinforced mode, any array/battery requiring CPU ceases to function. This includes hardeners, industry arrays, EWar batteries, etc.

Gun batteries that are functional will still shoot at valid targets while the tower is reinforced. Yes, reinforced towers can still shoot you.

The defenders can repair any of the defensive batteries that you incapacitated while the tower is reinforced. They can also anchor new ones. They can put these batteries online and use them against you once the tower comes out of reinforced (or immediately if they don't take CPU). Smart defenders will anchor more defensive mods than they can use at once and put new ones online to replace incapacitated ones.

The defenders cannot add Stront for another reinforcement cycle until the POS shields get above 50%. It's in their best interest to do so immediately, and in yours to prevent them from doing so.

All weapon battery ranges/tracking calculations are done based on the tower, not the battery itself. This opens up some interesting tactics for unwebbed, AB-fit stealth bombers.

Non-faction weapon batteries hit one class up in terms of tracking and signature resolution. Faction batteries get a boost to damage and fitting, but also get a huge reduction in their signature resolution which greatly improves their applied damage.

Projectile batteries are currently the best weapon battery to use in all circumstances. They are better, even unbonused, than any other weapon battery, even with their racial bonus. Beam lasers on Amarr towers are the only exception, but even then not in all circumstances. Missile and hybrid batteries are crap, as are pulse batteries. Projectile batteries on Minmatar towers are to be feared.

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Lockdown86
Night line Logistics
#9 - 2015-01-13 09:56:35 UTC
Thank you all for your replys, i have learnt very much, its a big shame, they are only a 6man corp and we are a 3 man corp, forsaken have joined the war to help them, to defend 1 pos :S and so have marmite, i mean, can we do anything without these guys geting involved, ive beein in both alliances, they probably paid them to help, so we made another 4 corps and an alliance to deck them so we can hope around and avoid it to make sure this tower goes down.

anyone wanting to join us for the sake of it is welcome to join night line logistics, ive not played eve in months and fancied doing something so decided to pos bash, first pos we go for we run into 2 of the high secs biggest pvp alliance when we are only 3 man corp lol, feel like training the hulk and go sit in a belt :P