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Fighting a cruiser with a battleship

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Saul Weintraub
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-01-11 20:20:17 UTC
So this is for PvE mission running only. PvP is a separate ball game and out of the scope of this post.

I run level 4 missions with a raven and equip it with cruise missiles. I find that the drones I bring along can wipe out the frigates and destroyers very easily, and my cruise missiles handle battlecruisers and above quite well.

So that leaves a soft spot. Cruisers.

I have typically used medium drones against them which I'm told is the correct thing to do, but man, they SUCK. If I left my medium drones on the cruisers, it would be several minutes until they got a kill.

Some quick notes on my skills: all my basic drone skills are level IV, though drones is V. Haven't gotten the faction specialization skills yet, but everything else that you would suggest I train for light and medium drones, I have trained to IV.

As for drone selection, I select the drone with the damage type best suited to attacking the enemy I am attacking. Explosive damage against weak to explosive targets, etc. I know that one suggestion might be to always use gallente drones as they have the highest damage multiplier, but there's some loss with using thermal damage against a target who isn't as weak to thermal damage as he may be to something else.

So, of course, you can supplement your drone damage with missile damage. But using cruise missiles against drones is incredibly inefficient.

So how do you guys deal with this conundrum? Probably the best suggestion I heard was to bring along cheap cruise missiles for use against the cruisers. But I'm open to suggestions...
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#2 - 2015-01-11 20:26:02 UTC
Webs, target painters and precision cruise missiles.





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Solecist Project
#3 - 2015-01-11 20:26:23 UTC
This would fit better in the Missions subforum.

Just saying.

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-01-11 20:26:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Either Use T2 drones with Faction Spec, or TP the cruisers you set your drones on, it also helps if you web them.

Once you can use T2 Missiles (need good support skills tho) you can use precision missiles on the cruisers so you'll need your drones only for the frigs.

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Foxicity
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-01-11 20:28:57 UTC
Hmm I'm no mission runner but the T2 precision missiles are only twice as expensive as normals. You might try heavy drones as well against 'dumb' targets like NPC cruisers, they may have some luck applying their full DPS. And of course either of these proposals would be helped by a target painter.
Sylveria Relden
#6 - 2015-01-11 20:31:49 UTC
Saul Weintraub wrote:
So this is for PvE mission running only. PvP is a separate ball game and out of the scope of this post.

I run level 4 missions with a raven and equip it with cruise missiles. I find that the drones I bring along can wipe out the frigates and destroyers very easily, and my cruise missiles handle battlecruisers and above quite well.

So that leaves a soft spot. Cruisers.

I have typically used medium drones against them which I'm told is the correct thing to do, but man, they SUCK. If I left my medium drones on the cruisers, it would be several minutes until they got a kill.

Some quick notes on my skills: all my basic drone skills are level IV, though drones is V. Haven't gotten the faction specialization skills yet, but everything else that you would suggest I train for light and medium drones, I have trained to IV.

As for drone selection, I select the drone with the damage type best suited to attacking the enemy I am attacking. Explosive damage against weak to explosive targets, etc. I know that one suggestion might be to always use gallente drones as they have the highest damage multiplier, but there's some loss with using thermal damage against a target who isn't as weak to thermal damage as he may be to something else.

So, of course, you can supplement your drone damage with missile damage. But using cruise missiles against drones is incredibly inefficient.

So how do you guys deal with this conundrum? Probably the best suggestion I heard was to bring along cheap cruise missiles for use against the cruisers. But I'm open to suggestions...


This game is all about choice, consequence and compromise. It's designed so you cannot possibly cover every single variable- you're going to be "strong" in some things and "weak" in others, no matter how meticulously you plan. Luck does not equate to skill, and vice versa.

For missile skills, make sure you've trained the supports- (as a few cover damage radius/signature radius, too- this helps with targeting smaller hull types than yours) and for drones, you said it already - that's what Medium Drones were designed for. You can also try Sentries, which will shoot anything (they don't care what the hull size is) but they've got drawbacks as well. (such as not being able to move, and limited to ranges)

The game mechanics were designed specifically so that "bigger doesn't always mean better", and with that, you leave yourself vulnerable to smaller ships when you use bigger ones. (not trying to state the obvious, just citing the point) Another alternative is to bring a friend with a smaller ship so they can help pick off frigates and cruisers- teamwork goes a long way. (not to sound cliche, but the "best ship" is "friendship")

It sounds like you're mitigating the damage as best you can, otherwise. Make sure you're fitting active hardeners specific to the mission (not passive hardeners designed for PvP) and dictate range as much as possible. MJD's were designed with BS in mind for that purpose, too. (I'm sure lots of others will have suggestions as well.)

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7 - 2015-01-11 21:43:33 UTC
My light drones (T1 and 2) tear Cruisers a new one very very rapidly.

I suggest you simply train your drone skills better

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Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-01-11 21:57:29 UTC
Rigor Rigs help a lot.

My favorite Raven fit basically uses a MJD to pull range, 2 Rigor Rigs, target painter x2, and a sebo to make sure I can target past 100km.

Rigor rigs, flare catalyst and target painter work wonders for cruise missiles. Try it out. You'll be one shotting cruisers easily.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-01-11 22:01:15 UTC
Ships with drone damage bonuses are great for missions because of this precisely. Light drones end up doing enough DPS to take out what you need.
Slavealt
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
#10 - 2015-01-11 22:38:23 UTC
We would need to know your fit to give a really good answer. With proper skills and fit, cruise missiles work fine on cruisers. Just make sure you use T1/Faction/Precisions for them, as Furies are pretty bad at applied damage on smaller targets.

I have a feeling you aren't fitting rigors/target painters, which help a *lot* applying damage to smaller stuff with missiles. I'd generally suggest using 2 rigor/1 flare and at least 1 TP on any BC+ PVE missile boat. You'd be surprised the difference they make in applied damage. If you're already using these, it may just be a skill points issue.
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-01-11 22:44:24 UTC
Whilst i have never flown a regular Raven before, i do fly a Golem and Typhoons and i run 2 x RF Target painters and rigor/flare rigs and do not have any particular trouble with cruisers
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#12 - 2015-01-11 22:46:38 UTC
I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.

I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.

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Solecist Project
#13 - 2015-01-11 22:59:50 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.

I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.

My thought is that mods are deliberately slacking ...
... which helps them find out who needs to be banned.

Just a guess, though.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#14 - 2015-01-11 23:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Solecist Project wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.

I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.

My thought is that mods are deliberately slacking ...
... which helps them find out who needs to be banned.

Just a guess, though.



I'm wondering if the forums are so dead now that questions in the sub-forums simply go unanswered and hence they end up being asked in GD simply because there's more activity here.

(Joke's on them. WE are the activity here and we are terrible people)

Are the in-game chat channels for new players not meeting expectations as well?

Maybe Herr Wilkus was right..

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sylveria Relden
#15 - 2015-01-11 23:24:00 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

I'm wondering if the forums are so dead now that questions in the sub-forums simply go unanswered and hence they end up being asked in GD simply because there's more activity here.


Bingo, we have a winner.

Subforums are historically the place threads go to "die", simply because they won't garner an immediate or semi-immediate response typically. So people post in GD (or similar root-based thread) to get a response quicker.

My opinion, of course- but I think it's pretty substantiated.

As to the response time from mods- it's subjective and you have to remember most (if not all) of them are volunteers and probably not 24/7 eyeballing the forums. I'd say be patient and they'll get addressed eventually.

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#16 - 2015-01-11 23:24:18 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.

I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.

My thought is that mods are deliberately slacking ...
... which helps them find out who needs to be banned.

Just a guess, though.



I'm wondering if the forums are so dead now that questions in the sub-forums simply go unanswered and hence they end up being asked in GD simply because there's more activity here.

(Joke's on them. WE are the activity here and we are terrible people)

Are the in-game chat channels for new players not meeting expectations as well?

Maybe Herr Wilkus was right..

Reddit.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2015-01-12 01:17:33 UTC
Missions & complexes has plenty of traffic that can easily deal with these style topics.

this fit more or less deletes npc cruisers, maybe 2 shot with low skills.
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#18 - 2015-01-12 02:07:06 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Webs, target painters and precision cruise missiles.


This.

To see it in action, check out my YouTube channel (linked in my forum signature). It's not much, but I'll be back to uploading soon since the Christmas / New Year holidays are almost over.
Serene Repose
#19 - 2015-01-12 03:15:49 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.

I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.
I have a rash. Shocked

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#20 - 2015-01-12 04:51:33 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I've noticed a rash of threads in GD that should be in other subforums lately.

I wonder if this is a cyclical thing.
I have a rash. Shocked




You better get it looked at and don't blame me.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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