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Why Afk is fine in highsec
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#21 - 2015-01-11 08:55:44 UTC
What's the point of this post anyway? I think, this issue has been discussed on the forums many times.

Or has starting the "out and proud" and "it's OK 2 b AFK" kind of threads become a thing for highsec dwellers?

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#22 - 2015-01-11 09:23:25 UTC
I think OP may have confused the New Order's in-game playstyle which attempts to punish AFKing in highsec, and (some) anti-gankers metagame style of whining about ganking in the hopes it will be removed from the game.

If gankers operated by the same 'logic' as carebears, they would be on here petitioning CCP to make it impossible to AFK mine without exploding or something, i.e. trying to get a playstyle they dislike removed from the game. Then a post like OP's might have a purpose.

Of course, they don't. Gankers love AFK miners because they provide targets. While requests to "fix" ganking are a dime a dozen, requests to 'fix' mining usually take the form of "I mine and it's too boring".

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#23 - 2015-01-11 09:49:53 UTC
Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Why sinning is not fine in highsec:

The wages of sin is death.

Some 'wise' men may tell you to ignore the commandments of the code, to do as you please. Such 'wisdom' comes not from above, but is instead earthly, unspiritual and demonic.

if you need to pee and don't want to dock up, fine! The New Order has a protocol for that, simply ask the Supreme Protector or one of his agents for permission first. Otherwise, don't go afk. The reasons are enumerated in the code. For further reading you could start with the manifesto I and manifesto II.


Some will claim their way is the only way because it is their way. They cannot look at reality for it brings the possibilty of another view and thus fear. As a result they sin against man, wage war, cause suffering and holdback man from its path to glory.
Serene Repose
#24 - 2015-01-11 10:21:19 UTC
't is a silly subject.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2015-01-11 10:22:01 UTC
also sometimes potatoes take an hour to cook if not more.

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Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-01-11 10:25:54 UTC
I go AFK knowing the risks, and simply do not care. Generally speaking, I don't AFK in anything particularly expensive, and if somebody wants to kill me in high sec and incur Concord's wrath for nothing (because, as a rule, I have nothing of value), I guess that's their own business.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#27 - 2015-01-11 10:35:44 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
I think OP may have confused the New Order's in-game playstyle which attempts to punish AFKing in highsec, and (some) anti-gankers metagame style of whining about ganking in the hopes it will be removed from the game.

If gankers operated by the same 'logic' as carebears, they would be on here petitioning CCP to make it impossible to AFK mine without exploding or something, i.e. trying to get a playstyle they dislike removed from the game. Then a post like OP's might have a purpose.

Of course, they don't. Gankers love AFK miners because they provide targets. While requests to "fix" ganking are a dime a dozen, requests to 'fix' mining usually take the form of "I mine and it's too boring".

I think the OPs point is that going AFK in high-sec is not always a bad thing as long as you accept the risk. The ganking community loves to ridicule AFK miners like they've done something wrong, when they haven't. They've been AFK like that for months before you killed them. The idiotic thing to do would be to stay ATK all that time because you're afraid of having to write off a loss that amounts to 1% of your total profit.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#28 - 2015-01-11 10:43:08 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Gankers love AFK miners because they provide targets. While requests to "fix" ganking are a dime a dozen, requests to 'fix' mining usually take the form of "I mine and it's too boring".

Indeed. While I might argue that AFK mining or autopiloting isn't "playing Eve", or at least not playing Eve well, no one is questioning a player's right to do it. If you want to leave your assets unattended in space, or load everything you own into an anti-tanked freighter and send it through Uedama while you eat a pizza, that is your choice. As you long you give a "gf" after your are exploded (or at least avoid the homophobic slurs) and don't come to the forums after claiming Eve is "broken", you can play anyway you want.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#29 - 2015-01-11 10:58:12 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
While I might argue that AFK mining or autopiloting isn't "playing Eve", or at least not playing Eve well,


They are the best EvE players of all and play EvE as it's meant to be, they are true assets to the community.

In fact, they generously provide everybody else a lot of comprehensive and comfortable content they'd otherwise have to work hard to get to, and newbies would have a very though challenge to win.

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Solecist Project
#30 - 2015-01-11 11:02:57 UTC
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This thread has no actual point besides being propaganda for the sick freaks.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2015-01-11 11:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Provence Tristram
Black Pedro wrote:
[quote=Crumplecorn] While I might argue that AFK mining or autopiloting isn't "playing Eve", or at least not playing Eve well, no one is questioning a player's right to do it.


I don't think it's even fair to say it's not playing EVE 'well' -- it just 'is.'

It's as much in the tradition of EVE Online as gate camping... in fact, for many of us, one of our first activities in the game -- either long, long ago or as recently as a day ago -- was to AFK mine. The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Some people struggle along during that time, fighting the current... others simply buckle up for the long haul, train the most onerous skills first, and AFK mine. It's not a bad way to build up a little nestegg while the weeks roll by.

Personally, I mine semi-AFK. I tend to be a Wikipedia hog, and plow through that website like nobody's business. So while I'm busy reading my non-fiction, I farm. No harm, no foul.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#32 - 2015-01-11 11:27:59 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
I don't think it's even fair to say it's not playing EVE 'well' -- it just 'is.'

Fair enough. I would say there is much more engaging gameplay on offer than AFK mining, but to each their own.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#33 - 2015-01-11 11:46:01 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months.
Ironcially, while you sit there AFK-mining because combat characters can't do anything for 4-6 months, you get ganked by a 1 month old combat character.

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Crimson Nirnroots
Compliant Munitions
#34 - 2015-01-11 12:06:29 UTC
Being AFK is fine if you're not terribly attached to your pod.

Antimatter, now with more Nirnroots.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#35 - 2015-01-11 12:25:10 UTC
Vector Symian wrote:
please discuss freely

Within the EULA you can do whatever you want.

Just don't rage / rant / whine in local or on the forums if your stuff or pod goes boom in one of those shiny explosions we all love so much.

The only thing you're entitled to in EVE is a CCP mess-up.

Remove standings and insurance.
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2015-01-11 12:42:56 UTC
I don't care that you don't care mmmmmmkay ;p

I don't need twitter. I'm already following you.
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-01-11 13:01:02 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Provence Tristram wrote:
The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months.
Ironcially, while you sit there AFK-mining because combat characters can't do anything for 4-6 months, you get ganked by a 1 month old combat character.


Perhaps, but that is not the kind of combat I would be out for, regardless. I like to feel like I'm actually contributing something in gangs, and until I have all those support abilities at least to rank IV, I feel like I'm just dragging people down. I like to be about 8 million SPs before I actually start seeking a serious corp, at which point I should be flying a fully T2 equiped BC (or pretty close), and working towards a T2 equipped BS.

Others are certainly entitled to disagree on this point, but I simply do not find PvP in this game enjoyable when I am totally outclassed in combat skills, and know that, against an even passable player, I likely don't have a chance in hell.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#38 - 2015-01-11 13:02:59 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Some people struggle along during that time, fighting the current... others simply buckle up for the long haul, train the most onerous skills first, and AFK mine.


Back at the time skill manuals were still in use (= even more difficult to skill up), I joined a PvP corp with low skills enough, I needed a MAPC just to fit some T1 mods.
But one of those mods was a warp scrambler.

One useless newbie with no skills in a 250k frigate could cause a battleship to die.

The only preclusion, the only limits, are those in your mind. And this applies to the whole RL life as well, not just EvE.

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Solecist Project
#39 - 2015-01-11 13:21:57 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Provence Tristram wrote:
The simple fact is, the very nature of EVE's skill queue precludes anyone doing particularly well in combat for a good 4-6 months. Some people struggle along during that time, fighting the current... others simply buckle up for the long haul, train the most onerous skills first, and AFK mine.


Back at the time skill manuals were still in use (= even more difficult to skill up), I joined a PvP corp with low skills enough, I needed a MAPC just to fit some T1 mods.
But one of those mods was a warp scrambler.

One useless newbie with no skills in a 250k frigate could cause a battleship to die.

The only preclusion, the only limits, are those in your mind. And this applies to the whole RL life as well, not just EvE.
*feels like you should have pointed to my thread "Reality ... is what you make of it."

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Black Pedro
Mine.
#40 - 2015-01-11 13:24:16 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
While I might argue that AFK mining or autopiloting isn't "playing Eve", or at least not playing Eve well,


They are the best EvE players of all and play EvE as it's meant to be, they are true assets to the community.

In fact, they generously provide everybody else a lot of comprehensive and comfortable content they'd otherwise have to work hard to get to, and newbies would have a very though challenge to win.

This I do disagree with. Active miners and haulers provide plenty of content to the game, both social and literal, and can do that well. And some players "play Eve" without even logging in to the client. But true AFK players - those that log in but then go do something non-Eve related - provide nothing efficiently or particularly valuable to the game but targets. An AFK player is not, by any definition, the "best" Eve player of all.

It's like spending 15-bucks to buy a ticket to an amusement park, but then only sitting in the food court by yourself reading a newspaper because you find it "relaxing" while your friends ride the roller coasters and play the games with each other. Sure no one is going to say you can't do this, and you are technically at the amusement park, but you aren't really making the most of the experience.

But you paid for the ticket, so you can enjoy the amusement park however you like.

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