Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My mistake, under the weather today and forgot how to Eve for a bit.

Meh they just look funny because Long Range Ammo peaks so early in the non AB graph. It doesn't help when the HMs lose their 40+% damage when the AB turns on, then it really funks it up.

Because its not relevant?

HMLs reload for Damage Type.
Artys reload for Range and Damage Type
Beams/Rails reload for Range.

Balance!

Want to see how unimportant that is.

http://imgur.com/U3L9RNH

Myrm
No reload
No ammo
No cap use
Selectable Damage types.

Here are the fits.

http://imgur.com/rgW5PWF (Harby, Brutix, Ferox)
http://imgur.com/dwI29JP (Cane, Drake, Myrm)

All have over 50K EHP
All have MWD
All have no cap issues
All have long range

Turret ships using
IN Standard
CN Thorium
RF Sabbot

Myrm Using Ogre 2

E: Drake has best Tank. ~75K EHP (-ODI, +CPU, -TP,-WEB, +LSEII, +EM Ward)
Myrm has most DPS
Myrm has least DPS lost to AB
Myrm has longest Range.

But lets keep talking about how OP the Drake would be adding what amounts to 30 Applied Damage by reverting the explosion velocity change on Heavy Missiles. Heck even the Myrm isn't OP because you can kill off all its damage which can be the same for missiles!!

Give me a break guy.

If you want to be the size of a Capital ship sure. You can do that. Then we can have a thread about how OP Dreads are because they can alpha drakes the size of Carriers.

The TP and the Web are only off cuz the guy whined about it last time. If I apply webs and tp it then applies to every ship on the list...because EVE isn't a solo game.

Yes I see your point. That doesn't make much sense if i was comparing the drake to other ships. But im not here to argue for the drake. So I don't really care about that. I am here to get balance for heavy missiles, which even people with a limited understanding know are not in line. Ship balance to me is secondary to having the weapons right. Drakes are not the only ship to use Heavy Missiles don't ya know. Which is why I have done comparisons with TPs with Webs, without them, with AB without AB, with only weapons, with weapons and application modules.

What is fitted to those ships in the link above are largely irrelevant for what I am showing. If the drake poses to be out of line down the road then nerf it and not the missiles a dozen other ships use too.

I mean I could have chosen a Cyclone, and ended up with the same result.

The only reason I put fits up was to show that all the ships can fit their long range weapons with a decent tank. I really could care less about the balance between the ships.



FYI 75K EHP is what the drake should max out around. which is a lot, but irrelevant to missile/turret relations.

In Regards to the drake itself I would probably have pulled a midslot in all honesty but thats just me maybe then the navy drake would have stood out more too.

But you're making use of the ferox' trait; range, the Cane's dps, the brutix's dps etc etc. If you're going to use a ship that has a really big advantage over other ships, while not being missile related, then that's going to impact its missile performance and as such affect the comparison.

Here's some conditions I'd want to see before HML would get a buff:

- Drake loses base shield HP
- all the silly long range bonuses get nerfed to hell
- HML loses some base range

Because if you don't do that then buffing HML will, again, create massive problems. So previously it was "Caldari won't be buffed because of Drake" and now "HML won't be buffed because of Drake (and because of HML range)".

What I'd really like to see from CCP is just a statement where they tell us roughly where missiles sit on the food chain. I know we have that nifty graph but that isn't really specific enough.

I want to know by % weight how many ships used in pvp use missiles, which ships those are and which missiles they use. Lastly I want to know if they were used in fleet or solo combat. I might even report my own post here to hopefully an ISD can escalate it up.

You'd expect that, it's a size class up (cruiser weapon system). Arguably one should be shooting fury at BC.

I've just been doing a hell of a lot of comparison of BC's fitted for long range and seeing how well they can apply their damage to an AB'ing armour tanked rupture.

My conclusion in the end is that the only buff required for missiles is an optimal range buff for TP's to 60km.


How would that suit you?

If you buff the TP you break everything that benefits from it already and then incite tye creation of new fits to capitalise on it. If you reduce the explosion radius of the heavy missile to pre nerf stats you fix that one problem.

Which might sound a little dramatic but can you imagine say.. giving any other ewar especially ECM a 50% range buff to their modules off the bat? Target painters are useful in fleets built for them and not just missile fleets.