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Interdictors, T2 Destroyers

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Radimir Dvornikov
Radikov Astrometrics and Trade
#1 - 2015-01-10 02:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Radimir Dvornikov
As I look through all the different factions of ships, it is the Destroyers that I feel don't get a lot of love.

They are the only class of ship to have one T2 variation, with the exception of the Confessor.

I looked through the different stats of the ships, comparing the Eris to Catalyst, Heretic to Coercer, Cormorant to Flycatcher and Thrasher to Sabre. The T2 ships have less shield, less armor, but target farther and fly faster and have separate advantages when compared to their T1s. If skills are trained.

I saw that the main use of an Interdictor destroyer is to deploy a warp disruption sphere that prevents ships from warping while inside it, and from warping through it.

With that, here come the questions:

-Are Interdictors commonly used to destroy frigates or just for their bubbles?

-Let's say we have an Interdictor against a T1 Cruiser. Can the Interdictor be able to orbit fast enough to escape the tracking speed of medium sized blasters / beam lasers / auto cannon in general?
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#2 - 2015-01-10 03:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Celine Sophia Maricadie
Point of order, the Confessor is not a T2 destroyer, it's the first of the T3 tactical destroyers, with other races to see the same released in future updates.

Interdictors (or Dictors, in Eve "lingo") are often not used solo. The dictor would be there to provide the bubble and other ships would be there to do the damage and destroy the bubbled target ship.

In general the frigate/dessie sized ship can easily get under the guns of the medium sized turrets and avoid being hit by them. This is why drones are often used by the larger ships to provide the anti-frig/dessie role. Bigger turrets have a harder time hitting and tracking smaller targets.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-10 03:12:45 UTC
interdictors are for dropping bubbles and eating frigates for lunch.

Flycatcher can pretty much 2-3 volley any frigate.

They get pretty wrecked by anything bigger than them though, high sig and pretty slow and almost 0 tank.
Radimir Dvornikov
Radikov Astrometrics and Trade
#4 - 2015-01-10 03:15:28 UTC
Drones, those feel like they will be a problem in the future.

Flying a smaller ship against a bigger one, would the priority be to take out the drones first since the larger turrets can't track a ship's angular velocity?
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2015-01-10 03:32:02 UTC
This might seem weird, but I've never actually bothered to fit any guns on an Interdictor.

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Radimir Dvornikov
Radikov Astrometrics and Trade
#6 - 2015-01-10 03:45:09 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
This might seem weird, but I've never actually bothered to fit any guns on an Interdictor.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-01-10 06:22:30 UTC
It's important to realize that the stuff Dictors, and their bigger cousins HICs do, is not something you can do at all in hisec. So you need to view these ships in the light of losec/WH/null operations.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-01-10 09:46:02 UTC
bubbles are null sec only. can't bubble in low.

Dicotors are probably one of the most used ships in null sec and also one of the most feared as it's pretty much garunteed that he has friends close by and if he gets you then your pod is gone also.

T2'a have higher resists than T1s. There is a difference between HP and EHP learn what that is.

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J'Poll
MUSE LLP
RAZOR Alliance
#9 - 2015-01-10 09:55:01 UTC
The dictor is used to bubble...that is its main duty and also most people only use it for that.

They are okay against frigates but die to anything bigger easily.

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Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#10 - 2015-01-10 10:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Radimir Dvornikov wrote:
Drones, those feel like they will be a problem in the future.

Flying a smaller ship against a bigger one, would the priority be to take out the drones first since the larger turrets can't track a ship's angular velocity?

yes,
yes you should,
anything larger than a cruiser will have difficulty tracking a frigate once you have your transversal velocity up.
the bigger they are the harder a time they will have of it.
being a destroyer hull though im not up on where the threshold would be given their bigger sig but i want to say battlecruiser(?)

http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2013/06/secrets-of-success-transversal.html

this means that in a 1v1 the only thing that's a real threat to you is their drones so you should always clear them first.
Marsan
#11 - 2015-01-11 01:16:10 UTC
Honestly if you are fitting guns on a Hic you are doing it horribly wrong. Dictors are pretty good at poping frigates but there are cheaper and better ways to kill frigates. The key reason to fly these ships is to deploy a warp bubble to prevent ships from warping or jumping.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#12 - 2015-01-11 09:46:49 UTC
I remember yelling "DESTROY" a lot at fanfest, maybe that was a clue!?

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2015-01-12 05:28:48 UTC
Marsan wrote:
Honestly if you are fitting guns on a Hic you are doing it horribly wrong. Dictors are pretty good at poping frigates but there are cheaper and better ways to kill frigates. The key reason to fly these ships is to deploy a warp bubble to prevent ships from warping or jumping.



CODE. did investigate the prospect of using an Eris fleet doctrine for highsec wars. We decided against it because we weren't happy with the range achieved, but the ship isn't total garbage as a combat ship.

It's basically an assault frigate with more damage potential and worse signature radius (i.e. squishier).

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Gorthanator
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-01-12 06:47:55 UTC
Not flown them myself but I have seen interdictors used in lowsec with guns fitted, effectively as well.
Alaric Faelen
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2015-01-12 23:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaric Faelen
Battlecruisers also only have a single T2 variant- one that is incredibly niche and overlooked by most non-FC types.

Despite being the lone T2 Destroyer variant- Interdictors are some of the most important ships in null sec fleets, and some of the most fun boats to fly. While I can fly most any sub-cap, I still enjoy flying Dictors more than pretty much anything but Recons.
It would be nice to see an additional role for Destroyers. I'm unimpressed with the T3 concept of them so far. Focused ships tend to be more fun than jacks of all trades and masters of none.

Given the ease of getting into Dictors, and their critical role within a null sec fleet, they are the ship I most often suggest new PvP'ers to aim for.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#16 - 2015-01-13 05:44:31 UTC
On the command ship comparison.

Command ships have pretty solid applications as combat ships, although they are seldom fielded as such due to price and skill requirements.

A fleet of Damnations is *terrifyingly effective*.

Interdictors as combat ships, however, are somewhat lacking. They just die so fast if shot at, as unlike frigates, they are relatively easy for cruisers to hit. Like I said, CODE. investigated this for our non-ganking operations, and despite most of our pilots having *extraordinarily good* Catalyst skills, we couldn't make the Eris work well enough to warrant the additional 3 weeks of training.

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Alaric Faelen
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-01-13 16:22:58 UTC
Interdictors don't die nearly as fast as they once did. They are fairly effective at killing tacklers especially. More importantly tho- they need to be weak somewhere.
The Dictor is one of the most dangerous ships on the battlefield because of their bubble capability. That they are so feared is the reason they are usually the first ships to be called primary and killed. Before headshotting an FC, before chasing after logi...Dictors must die. That is a testament to just how dangerous they are to an enemy fleet.
Their relatively weak tank but high mobility is a perfect counter to the HIC, which sacrifices mobility but gains a huge tank. It's an excellent gameplay balance by CCP. Two ships that do essentially the same thing, but in different ways and tactics. In many cases an FC will prefer one or the other depending on the situation, which means each truly has a niche of it's own to fill. In contrast, logi is logi. There might be cap chain vs no...but it's all pretty much the same in practice. The role of tackle gets far more depth between Ceptor, Dictor, and Hictor. Which is why of all fleet roles, I personally find tackle to be the most fun and engaging.
A decent Dictor pilot will be zipping about without the FC needing to bark orders. He is a scout, an ambusher, as well as tackler/anti-tackle. A much more rounded fleet role than the ship-of-the-line DPS applicators.
If a Dictor had more survivability, it would be an OP ship class. Of all ship classes in Eve, I think the Dictors are among the best balanced for their role. Given that they are cheap to replace, they make excellent ships for newer PvP'ers to get into or small gangs to employ. Cheap, fun, deadly....working as intended, IMO.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#18 - 2015-01-13 17:03:10 UTC
While interdictors might have somewhat lower absolute tank amounts, they have far, far better resist profiles, and usually have more slots to dedicate to tank than destroyers do. For this reason, interdictors often end up being far more tanky.

Since they have their bubble role, and because they are much more expensive, they typically take on very different roles from destroyers.

Radimir Dvornikov wrote:

-Are Interdictors commonly used to destroy frigates or just for their bubbles?

Both, but predominantly for their bubbles. Frigates are not always available to kill, and when they are, two properly equipped frigates can likely destroy an interdictor (a destroyer, too, but the interdictor is 50x more expensive).

Dictors can be used in a few contexts in nullsec:

  • Solo (or small group) camping. The point is to catch soft targets coming in through a gate or out of warp, and blow them up. Dictors catch stuff well, and apply good damage, so they're good at this.
  • Small gang roaming. This also involves hitting soft targets, except when it doesn't. When the targets can fight for themselves, the dictor will probably be a primary target due to it having very little tank relative to its cost and usefulness. In this case, the dictor is better served by leaving the main fight and trying to catch support ships (ewar ships, logistics ships, etc). Even if it doesn't, the distance gap between it and its enemies is a good way to catch the enemy frigate tackle in a spot where it doesn't have bigger ships helping it.
  • Fleet ops. Dictors are the primary tackle when there are far too many things on grid to scramble/disrupt. They get shot a lot though, so it's really touch-and-go, with a high probability of exploding horribly.


Radimir Dvornikov wrote:

-Let's say we have an Interdictor against a T1 Cruiser. Can the Interdictor be able to orbit fast enough to escape the tracking speed of medium sized blasters / beam lasers / auto cannon in general?

Unless it has a special setup to do so (armor tank, afterburner, tracking disruptor), no. Both T1 and T2 destroyers melt when a cruiser points its guns at them, especially if that cruiser has webs.

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