Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes it does mean they are inherently bad if they weren't than the inbred blob fleets as you call them would be using them more. Like they did a few years back when HML were actually imbalanced vs the rest of the mid range weapons, and the drake was heavily superior in function and cost efficiency vs all other mid sized ships.

The fact that there are practically no fleet doctrines based on, in this case heavy missiles, but missiles in general should sound very large alarms in your head.

I mean all you have to do is look at the graphs I provided yesterday and this one, **** this one only reinforces what I said yesterday.

Really I think that CCP would be able to just revert the Explosion Radius Increase (12% i think it was) and HMs will be better for it. This would scale back damage bleed to around 30-33% just like all the other Turrets. I mean when a RLML Drake can Out Damage a Rigor Fitted HML Drake without webs or TP I think that speaks volumes of where HMs are right now.

sigh I give up. Its like talking to a wall.

I dislike the idea, more damage over time doesn't make sense or sit well with me. I think it would be greatly abused if it did.

While it helps snipers, things like the barghest would be super powerful, it seems kiting tengus would be way more powerful than they are.

Because it has too much range while not having range related performance gaps.

No it hasn't, there are no performance gaps based on range and as such it's versatile which is a plus, so it needs a con to make up for it. you want HML to do more dps or apply more damage? Then it needs to have its base range slashed, could be made up for by morphing precision missiles into range ones to help it achieve more range but base 60km without range performance issues is very good.

How about this:

- slash base range from ~60 (with skill bonuses) to 40km. use stats that will increase missile speed by about 20% of current
- change HML range bonus on caracal and NH so they can hit out to ~55km, not affecting HAM range
- change tengu HML range bonus so it reaches ~75km, not affecting HAM range
- change cerb HML range to 100-120km, not affecting HAM range
- other HML ships to be determined

- increase explosion velocity by about 25-30%, this diminishes dps loss due to target speed
- increase painter optimal range to 60km
- change precision into range bonused ammo, now you can overcome the lack of range at the cost of application


Now you have a weapon system that lacks moronic range while still retaining it's MASSIVE upsides and now applies decent damage, which can be increased further by a painter with increased performance in both application (explosion velocity is now less of an issue) and range.


It's inherently dangerous to up HML paper dps and then balance/nerf it with application, because fleets can easily overcome that issue with a ton of painters, so instead you don't touch the max_dps but instead buff its application and effectiveness of painters.

Isnt that the line that's over the missile line from 10-lock range?

Yup, sure sucks.

You know you can change ammo, right? That ships dont teleport from 70km to 30km? That the shooter can move?

So because you're lazy and refuse to optimise, we should all have crap missiles?

Well, I say have crap missiles, all the good people use guns. It's no coincidence.


edit: Maybe your FCs are just awful. It happens.

>>Overwhelming evidence from CCP, in game and damage charts be damned, missiles are fine!!!!!

You're still scared of drakes.