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How long do you intend Dust 514 to last, CCP?
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#21 - 2011-12-19 01:42:22 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
If they are very lucky, it will last just long enough for CCP to recoup their investment.

/or not


Richard Garriott de Cayeux predicts the end of gaming consoles

From Page 2:
"I think we might get one more generation [of gaming consoles], might, but I think fundamentally they're doomed. I think fundamentally the power that you can carry with you in a portable is really swamping what we've thought of as a console."


In the same way people predicted consoles would kill PC gaming?


The crux of his argument is that portable (handheld) devices are becoming so powerful as to eliminate the necessity of owning both those and consoles, especially because he sees 'casual' gaming becoming more popular than the typical MMO grind.

His pedigree is quite lengthy, going back to 1979.

"Garriott's career spans the game industry from the Apple II days in 1979 to the present, where he is working at his newest company Portalarium on the next generation of gaming. Garriott created his first company, Origin Systems, along with his brother Robert, their father Owen and programmer Chuck Bueche. Origin Systems produced many notable games, industry luminaries (such as Warren Spector), and several important companies were created by Origin Systems alumni (including id Software and Digital Anvil). Origin Systems was acquired by Electronic Arts in 1992, and Garriott left to found Destination Games in 2000. Destination Games was acquired by Korean gaming company NCSoft less than a year later. Garriott left in 2008 and founded Portalarium, where today he's busy creating a new game to once again advance the state of the art."

He makes a good argument, whether he is right or not, we will see.




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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-12-19 01:52:56 UTC
yumike wrote:
[quote=Selinate]

Not to mention the FPS crowd typically has an attention span of at most 3 months..


there is no reason to stick with a specific game other than "its fun"

dust will be the first game (actively supported by sony !) where you can work on long, mid and short time goals and really build something that can last for years
Disdaine
#23 - 2011-12-19 01:55:34 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
To the idiot article writer about end of consoles needs to take a step back and realize that portable devices for gaming with social functions included are just an evolution of consoles.


You do not call Lord British, the father of mmorpgs, and the developer of the first non-consensual pvp mmo an idiot.
J Kunjeh
#24 - 2011-12-19 01:57:34 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

The crux of his argument is that portable (handheld) devices are becoming so powerful as to eliminate the necessity of owning both those and consoles, especially because he sees 'casual' gaming becoming more popular than the typical MMO grind.


That reminds me of the argument that "desktops and laptops are going the way of the T. Rex because cell phones and tablet PC's are taking over the world!!". I don't know about you guys, but playing Eve on a 3.5" screen holds ZERO appeal for me.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-12-19 01:59:03 UTC
Considering the game can be iterated upon (eg: DUST 2) with little effect on the EVE universe, what does it matter?
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#26 - 2011-12-19 02:02:53 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
To the idiot article writer about end of consoles needs to take a step back and realize that portable devices for gaming with social functions included are just an evolution of consoles.


You do not call Lord British, the father of mmorpgs, and the developer of the first non-consensual pvp mmo an idiot.


Two words: Tabula Rasa


What has he done lately? A has-been struggling to remain relevant. 1992 called and wants it's developer back.

Dum Spiro Spero
Ai Shun
#27 - 2011-12-19 02:04:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ai Shun
J Kunjeh wrote:
That reminds me of the argument that "desktops and laptops are going the way of the T. Rex because cell phones and tablet PC's are taking over the world!!". I don't know about you guys, but playing Eve on a 3.5" screen holds ZERO appeal for me.


But could you envision a portable console where you can carry it around or plug it into a HD TV / Projector when static?

Kaarbaak wrote:
Two words: Tabula Rasa


And Ultima series. And. And. Like Peter Molyneux, he gets gaming on a fairly fundamental level. A couple of failed games out of a stable of many successful ones does not make him a failure or a has-been.

Besides, Tabula Rasa was filled with good concepts, it was just not mainstream enough and good concepts could not keep it alive.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#28 - 2011-12-19 02:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
J Kunjeh wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

The crux of his argument is that portable (handheld) devices are becoming so powerful as to eliminate the necessity of owning both those and consoles, especially because he sees 'casual' gaming becoming more popular than the typical MMO grind.


That reminds me of the argument that "desktops and laptops are going the way of the T. Rex because cell phones and tablet PC's are taking over the world!!". I don't know about you guys, but playing Eve on a 3.5" screen holds ZERO appeal for me.


Yeah, but you can plug it in to your 54" television. That would make your handheld device a "console". I already do this with my tablet. Also, who is to say the game you play requires a big display at all times. Angry birds anyone?

You may be a bit behind on your argument info, portable PC sales (notebooks) surpassed Desktops in 2008.

Linky

"The third quarter of 2008 was the first time when notebook PC shipments exceeded desktops"

Mobile Computing Is Killing the Desktop PC

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#29 - 2011-12-19 02:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
edit: doublepost

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#30 - 2011-12-19 02:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Dust will be playable on the PS VITA, Sony's next generation handheld.

Edit: To address the OP, the topic was brought up right after the announcement and CCP said that having a version to download for the PS 4 would be easy as pie.

I'm not seeing a problem here.

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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#31 - 2011-12-19 02:26:45 UTC
iirc ps has a good track record of doing some reverse capatability.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Mirima Thurander
#32 - 2011-12-19 02:29:28 UTC
fuer0n wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Logan LaMort wrote:
Dust will be getting graphic and gameplay updates in it's free expansions, exactly the same way EVE has for the last several years. When the PS4 comes out, if Dust is still going, then it's gonna get it's own Trinity.

After all for the last few years CCP have been making new graphic content/assets way more intensive than what the average PC can handle today and scaling them down for the EVE client, it's not hard to imagine them doing the same for Dust.


Dust is a new type of title for both CCP and Sony; with some exciting future potential. I'd be very concerned if Sony was not working with CCP to ensure that the game would be able to take advantage of a new platform allegedly said to be ready before Dust 514's release date.

But that is entirely speculation.



i'm worried about their involvement with planetside 2 and where their loyalties lie.



planetside 2 or Dust sony still makes moneys why not from both?

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#33 - 2011-12-19 02:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
If he really made Tabula Ralsa then that only affirms my calling of him an idiot. Considering he's suing the company that made it.

In other words he really didnt make it and just only put his name on it and that is highly irresponsible.

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Oberine Noriepa
#34 - 2011-12-19 03:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Oberine Noriepa
yumike wrote:

it's funny, i've been saying this for a year - PS4 was announced at E3 for next year (2012)

No, it wasn't.

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It will likely be backwards compatible, but even if it is it isn't likely to last long.

There's a fair chance it will have selected backwards compatibility with PS3 titles, but I would fully expect it to be compatible with all PS1 titles since emulation on that front is a pretty easy thing to do. A PS2 emulation setup is possible as well. Considering Sony's recent efforts with releasing PS2 titles directly on the PlayStation Network, I would say there's a fair chance for it.

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How many people continued playing ps1 games on the ps2? And the ps2's on the ps3?

A lot. Sony releases PS1 and PS2 games on the PlayStation Network and many people buy and play them. Furthermore, HD conversions of PS2 titles have sold very well.

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Not to mention the FPS crowd typically has an attention span of at most 3 months..

Did you ever consider the fact that this is most likely the target reaction that many developers and publishers aim for? Console games typically have some closed end development and therefore a good amount of money is made off of sequels. Once fans of a game are shown the newer and shinier version of what is nearly the same game they're playing, of course they're going to lose some interest in the older version they've been playing for so long. Interest in an existing title remains as long as there is sufficient support and content to keep the community going. This is evidenced in just about every popular online multiplayer game. (Hint: You made a post on a forum for a game that demonstrates exactly this.)

Dust's longevity mainly depends on three things: 1.) Is it fun? 2.) Does it have a lot of unique content for players to interact with? 3.) Is that content actively supported? If CCP can nail those three things down, then they will have something special on their hands. Dust's growth, however, is certainly questionable due to it being limited to a single platform, but that is something I do not expect to last for a very long time.

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Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#35 - 2011-12-19 03:07:39 UTC
Dust 514 for console was the worst idea CCP has EVER had and they have had many bad ideas.

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Ai Shun
#36 - 2011-12-19 03:07:39 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
If he really made Tabula Ralsa then that only affirms my calling of him an idiot. Considering he's suing the company that made it.


Interesting viewpoint. Destination Games developed Tabula Rasa (With Richard Garriot as part of that). NCSoft was the publisher of Tabula Rasa. But Garriott was also employed by NCSoft. It is a murky point.
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-12-19 03:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Substance
Doc Fury wrote:

Richard Garriott de Cayeux predicts the end of gaming consoles

From Page 2:
"I think we might get one more generation [of gaming consoles], might, but I think fundamentally they're doomed. I think fundamentally the power that you can carry with you in a portable is really swamping what we've thought of as a console."


He made similar comments to someone else a little while ago, but then proceeded to tell the guy that the future of gaming was in social media like facebook etc. and then try to pimp his new company harder then a $2 hooker.

Garriott is slightly bonkers and well past his use-by date, my friend. Take anything he says with a pinch of salt.

edit: The future of gaming, according to Sir Richard Garriott

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#38 - 2011-12-19 03:16:29 UTC
If he really was in charge of the entire game development he should have sued ALOT sooner like before the game came out if he was truely responsible individual.

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Selinate
#39 - 2011-12-19 04:34:29 UTC
yumike wrote:


Not to mention the FPS crowd typically has an attention span of at most 3 months..


No they don't. Planetside players stuck with that game for a LONG time. The same will happen with Dust if it's a well made game. Just because players buy a new FPS when it comes out doesn't mean they have an "attention span of 3 months", or that the game they used to play dies....
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2011-12-19 04:56:52 UTC
Selinate wrote:
yumike wrote:


Not to mention the FPS crowd typically has an attention span of at most 3 months..


No they don't. Planetside players stuck with that game for a LONG time. The same will happen with Dust if it's a well made game. Just because players buy a new FPS when it comes out doesn't mean they have an "attention span of 3 months", or that the game they used to play dies....


At the risk of drawing the ire of the consoletards, planetside was a PC game.

The tradition of small holdouts keeping games alive well past their due date is a strong one on PC. I played tribes vengeance for two years after most people would have said it was well dead. There were a grand total of ~30 people playing in Australia at the time.

I've never yet seen that happen on console, mostly because servers for consoles are hosted by the game manufacturer, and when players drop below a critical threshold they shut them down, see halo 1 and 2.

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