Player Features and Ideas Discussion

youre not making sense. what youve said here is in absolute agreement with my proposal.

first, in the current system, how can the defenders 'stop' them in a war dec (besides dropping corp and docking up)? they cannot stop a war dec being made, they cannot stop a war dec going on. They can destroy 1trillion isk of attackers assets on day one, and it is still the attackers call whether the dec goes on for 6 more days or not, or even longer.

but what i am proposing allows the defenders to actually STOP a war dec if they take the risks like you just said they should.

Second, my proposal does not 'let' them out of decs. It will always involve getting out there and taking risk if they choose to take a shot.

Aggressors get targets, defenders get that chance to break a dec. Competition, risk, reward.



What has this got to do with a corp that is too fragile to function under a war dec? it is in fact the opposite kind of corp that stands to benefit from what im suggesting.

My proposal does not try to define wars. Im not trying to say deccers should only dec for one reason or another. Nor is it 'unsandbox' or any more arbitrary than paying into an isk sink to allow combat without CONCORD intervention. When i say it makes decs more meaningful, it doesnt mean for the same reasons. Every war will still be made for whatever reason anyone likes, but under my proposal it may not be in the best interest of a corp to war dec a group hundreds times their size with the belief they can just pick and choose fights at leisure. Instead when they choose who to dec they might need to think about actually having to fight their targets on terms that arent theirs or lose the dec (not a tragedy).

I admit there are some interesting twists here to the ages old "let's force people to fight simply because I war dec them" thread.

Simply because I am tired of the +1, -1 crap I will use these instead.

You all get an A plus for some interesting ideas and to this point a calm, rational and reasonable discussion.
You also get an A plus because there are some, perhaps even many players/corps/alliances that are on the fence as the saying goes and offering a way for them to actually "win" thus ending the war might give this group a reason to un-dock and fight.

I give an F minus because you all seem to think that a HS WD is really a war, but what the hey if you want to continue to live a lie that's OK with me.

Or we can scale back a bunch of the ludicrous advantages that NPC corps have, and make player corps worth defending in the first place.

While I will certainly admit that a majority of wars are camping nonsense, not all of them are like that. I play alone with a bunch of alts and I wardec a lot and there's really no use for me to camp anything, not even stations. And yes there can actually be more to it than just farming kills, be it teaching some loudmouth a lesson or exposing a shitcorp for what it is, but also simply for income. Not saying that's how the majority does it but there's certainly exceptions to what you say.

The nerf to NPC corps would partially consist of a huge (35% imo) tax rate to all income, that only takes effect if you are more than thirty days old.

If player corps are the only way to compete in the marketplace, they become something worth defending.

Right now, highsec corps are little more than a corp ticker, a chat channel, and a hangar group when compared to an NPC corp.

Oh look who it is trying to murder NPC corps again just because they don't play your way.
EVE is about multiple play styles, not just the play the way Kaarous demands you play way.
It's seriously getting old with the NPC hate you keep projecting.

The majority of (high sec) corps being terrible has nothing to do with game mechanics, but is a result of the majority of people being clueless zombies.

Gentlemen I want to thank you for these posts as they cut straight to the basic heart of the matter.
The 10% or so of the WD that these gents are talking about is not the cause of the problem, it is the other 90% that is just about a lazy way to pad a kill board. How do we get rid of that 90% but still leave it open for the 10%?


Where to start with this one>?
NPC I guess, as I stated above get rid of the 90% of WD that are nothing more than a license to add to your kill board with no repercussions and I venture that a lot of those in NPC will not stay there because of the limitations and the tax rate.

35% tax rate are you serious? This would affect newer players and by that I mean those with 3-6 months or so in the game, significantly more than it would the veteran players since most vets know how to be in a player owned corp and avoid your worthless WD at the same time.

This one gets it's own special response.

I wonder when you and many others will understand the basic human nature at work here? There are those that will fight and those that will not.

All that is needed for those who will fight is to give them an opportunity where they feel like they have a chance to succeed.

For those who will not fight there is NOTHING you can do to make them fight. There is no amount of incentive you can add to the game that will EVER change this basic fact.

I sometimes wonder where the optimism comes from which allows players to believe other players would react to such a change the way they want in a game that allows any consequence, including a war dec, to be invalidated by the use of an alt.