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HAC and CS for lv4

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sevrisyn
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-01-08 10:37:49 UTC
Hey I'm looking at ammar Hac and CS for running lv4s as I enjoy smaller hulls but can't seem to get a the damage/tank high enough compared to t1 Bs. The tanks are similar though I'm probably doing it wrong any sheild fits seem to out strip the ammar tanks by 200/300 more. Just wondering if this is normal.

Fits ive looked at so far

Ham sac hits about 700 DPS and 400 tank has some range and damage issues.
Ham damnation almost itentical to sac for whatever reason.
Zelot similar DPS even less range and less tank

And that's about all I've looked at so far.

Would post fits but I'm on my phone ATM.
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#2 - 2015-01-08 10:47:07 UTC
Amarr BC / HAC hulls are not that well suited for shield tanking, notably because of their lack of mid slots and their (sometimes) native bonus to armor resists.

If i were you, i would look towards the absolution, which can dish out pretty good damage, all while sporting a decent tank. CS hulls will also allow you to fit a Medium Micro Jumpdrive, which can help a lot for some missions. If you're shooting EM/thermal weak NPCs, you should be fine. However, it will probably never beat a paladin / nightmare at this game.

sevrisyn
Doomheim
#3 - 2015-01-08 10:49:57 UTC
Im not sheild tanking them sorry for the confusion I was comparing them to things like the eagle / vulture and the rokh and the ammar Bs ofc.

I mission for caldari navy if it helps any
atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#4 - 2015-01-08 11:38:21 UTC
If you are trying to tank (armor or shield tank) a hac, then you are playing it totaly wrong. Hac doesnt have the ability to tank like a BS and do similar damage at the same time, but if you willing to risk, go for speed tanking. Set 10-15 k orbit with deadspace afterburner. With maxed navigation skills and some 3-4% speed implants you will go 700 m/s, with snake mid grade set you can go up to almost 800 m/s, and almost nothing can hit you. The only thing you have to do is insta pop webbing frigates.

But with sacrilige tank isn't a problem, it does very low damage for LvL. With all lvl5 skills, 5 augmented hammerhead it does only 642 dps (with navy ballistic control) and this is no good for LvL 4 missions. Gila with better tank and all lvl5 skills does over 900 dps. And this is a huge difference.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#5 - 2015-01-08 12:30:27 UTC
The damage and projection of BS together with the ease of tanking means a HAC or CS simply isn't up to par. It can work of course but it doesn't make sense to do so.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#6 - 2015-01-08 20:17:21 UTC
sevrisyn wrote:
Im not sheild tanking them sorry for the confusion I was comparing them to things like the eagle / vulture and the rokh and the ammar Bs ofc.

I mission for caldari navy if it helps any

shield boosters can rep more hp/s but armor reppers are more efficent on capacitor (if we dont look at ancillary boosters).
on the other hand shield tanked ship even if not fitted with extenders usually have bigger sig radius than armor tanked ships and they will take more damage, so it`s kinda balanced imho.

and anyway if you want to do lv4 fast forget about hacs or CS and get in something bigger with more dps
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#7 - 2015-01-08 20:43:22 UTC
I have a legion somewhere that works okayish. and imo okayish is the best possible outcome for an amarr cruiser for lv4 missions. I used to use it for one mission that was usually offered 4 jumps away, but now I just decline it.

I can't even think about using a zealot in lv 4s. a Sac would work alright, just after using a tengu a few years ago just sounds boring.

Also don't compare cruiser tanks to battleship tanks, a cruiser is much smaller and faster so as a result takes far less damage. My tengu has a ~200 dps omnitank and can do full room aggro everywhere I've tried. just make sure to take out webbing frigs.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2015-01-08 21:29:20 UTC
If you really, really want to fly a sub-BS Amarr ship in L4s then go with a Legion. A beam fit could look something like this:

[Legion, bloods beams]
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Corpum A-Type Energized EM Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Thermic Membrane
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

737 DPS to 32+19 or 553 to 56+19. It's not exactly BS level damage and projection but it's zippy enough. Tank is more than L4s require on that as well; it's more for exploration. A HAM option could look like this:

[Legion, L4s HAMs gag]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Meh. 579 at 29.2. But hey, it's selectable damage so maybe it's better for Guristas and Angels.
sevrisyn
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-01-09 07:45:41 UTC
Ty for the info I will probably give that fit a try in a few months (trainings gona take 3.) Though I may just have to suck it up and just try and find a battleship that's fun to fly.
herb aderp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-01-10 19:47:32 UTC
sevrisyn wrote:
Ty for the info I will probably give that fit a try in a few months (trainings gona take 3.) Though I may just have to suck it up and just try and find a battleship that's fun to fly.


Train towards the Macharial, its a battleship that feels like a cruiser.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-01-10 23:12:05 UTC
Ishtar, Gila & Tengu are all I'm really familiar with
they all mission quite nicely

Ishatar is the only one of the 3 that can use either Armour or Shield tank effectively
To mare
Advanced Technology
#12 - 2015-01-11 05:04:21 UTC
sevrisyn wrote:
Ty for the info I will probably give that fit a try in a few months (trainings gona take 3.) Though I may just have to suck it up and just try and find a battleship that's fun to fly.

idk why people consider ships that take double the time to finish a mission more fun.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#13 - 2015-01-11 05:12:59 UTC
Go Ishtar. As of right now drones are the current meta. Plus the Ishtar can both armor tank and shield tank while being able to dish out adequate dps.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-01-11 09:16:49 UTC
To mare wrote:
sevrisyn wrote:
Ty for the info I will probably give that fit a try in a few months (trainings gona take 3.) Though I may just have to suck it up and just try and find a battleship that's fun to fly.

idk why people consider ships that take double the time to finish a mission more fun.

Hence the Machariel !
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2015-01-11 14:53:18 UTC
To mare wrote:
sevrisyn wrote:
Ty for the info I will probably give that fit a try in a few months (trainings gona take 3.) Though I may just have to suck it up and just try and find a battleship that's fun to fly.

idk why people consider ships that take double the time to finish a mission more fun.

speed =/= fun
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#16 - 2015-01-12 10:13:37 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
To mare wrote:
sevrisyn wrote:
Ty for the info I will probably give that fit a try in a few months (trainings gona take 3.) Though I may just have to suck it up and just try and find a battleship that's fun to fly.

idk why people consider ships that take double the time to finish a mission more fun.

speed =/= fun


I get bored of doing it in interesting ships then just wonder why im not making 100mil+ an hour. Being poor is more boring than slow mission running.
sevrisyn
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-01-13 13:14:30 UTC
Tbh I don't care about isk/hr id rather have fun . I think I've settled though gona train for a vargur so that's me probably not playing eve until I get my t2 large guns (rip 1month) . this was also a reason for looking at the smaller ships since a while back I got my t2 med's (missiles and auto/artillary)and cruiser skill when I was messing around trying to fly a Loki / tengu / leigon when I wasn't ready.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#18 - 2015-01-13 13:23:41 UTC
sevrisyn wrote:
Tbh I don't care about isk/hr id rather have fun . I think I've settled though gona train for a vargur so that's me probably not playing eve until I get my t2 large guns (rip 1month) . this was also a reason for looking at the smaller ships since a while back I got my t2 med's (missiles and auto/artillary)and cruiser skill when I was messing around trying to fly a Loki / tengu / leigon when I wasn't ready.


You can play and train skills simultaneously

I know, mindblowing

Anyway, if you don't care about isk/hr but would rather have fun, then stop doing PVE and start having fun.
sevrisyn
Doomheim
#19 - 2015-01-13 15:11:53 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:
sevrisyn wrote:
Tbh I don't care about isk/hr id rather have fun . I think I've settled though gona train for a vargur so that's me probably not playing eve until I get my t2 large guns (rip 1month) . this was also a reason for looking at the smaller ships since a while back I got my t2 med's (missiles and auto/artillary)and cruiser skill when I was messing around trying to fly a Loki / tengu / leigon when I wasn't ready.


You can play and train skills simultaneously

I know, mindblowing

Anyway, if you don't care about isk/hr but would rather have fun, then stop doing PVE and start having fun.



Its more I haven't the skills for lv4s cant fly a bs well and didn't wanna go back to l3. And yeah plan on doing some other stuff just need to go corp hunting .
To mare
Advanced Technology
#20 - 2015-01-13 16:16:11 UTC
sevrisyn wrote:
Tbh I don't care about isk/hr id rather have fun . I think I've settled though gona train for a vargur so that's me probably not playing eve until I get my t2 large guns (rip 1month) . this was also a reason for looking at the smaller ships since a while back I got my t2 med's (missiles and auto/artillary)and cruiser skill when I was messing around trying to fly a Loki / tengu / leigon when I wasn't ready.

so you think BS are not fun (probably because they are slow?), you are willing to skill for large projectile and somehow you settle to skill for the Vargur which is a marauder that will be immobile once you press the bastion button when with pretty much the same training time (probably less) you could skill for a Machariel which handle like a cruiser but have BS dps and range.
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