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This option has been written into the constitution since day 1.




His position is laughable.
The U.S. government is not conspiring to take your rights.
Please read the bill for yourselves.

The bill doesn't give anyone any new power, and does not say that the president can do this in any new circumstances. The whole thing begins with active duty military personnel who are already under this condition, and then it adds new restrictions on how they use it, with things like the classification of combatant vs civilian.

Yeah... it was invoked when there was TOTAL WAR on our own soil... and only against our enemies. That's a precedent for following the constitution to the letter and not abusing anything about it.

That's exactly how this country is supposed to work. If you don't like it, it's not hard to leave.





Can you detail a president invoking the power now?
Question makes no sense.






This bill does not invoke anything, it defines what our 'enemies' are, how money is moved, how we prepare for if it were invoked, etc. Read it and calm down.

You do know this bill goes through ANNUALLY right? We've been passing these since before you were born, it's been available without these bills through the constitution since before your father was a hopeful sperm, and you've lived your life without seeing habeas corpus suspended on all of america and our citizens being thrown in jail for nothing by faceless soldiers or whatever undefined horror story you think looms over you today.

You're not making sense. You posted statements about precedents, abuse, and implication, that I have shown are WRONG. You think word games and an article about fascism make you correct now? Apply whatever labels you want. You're still wrong about the implications of this bill, and you're still unable to admit it or argue another step forward.

[quote=Buzzmong]I'm an American as well, and a liberal. I fully agree with your first statement. It's not really "the media" though, it's just language abuse to make a point, and Republicans are simply better at it. Their spin machine works better for some reason and people start accepting what they're saying as truth without reviewing it. Being liberal is a good thing! It's what pulled us up from the dark ages and differentiates us from the ME, conservative systems.

The latter part though...there are some people that call themselves "liberal" that think we need to be protected from bad thinking, art, etc... There's actually more of them on the other side, but they're more concerned about what we do in the bedroom and to whom. The big, bad "violent" video games are seen by some as cultural/moral decay that causes people to go on murderous rampages or something. Some of these people call themselves "liberals", but I agree they're really not. What's funny is that there are at least as many "conservatives" concerned about this stuff but it's somehow been spun into a bad, liberal agenda.

Frankly I agree with some parts of their POV but not the cause. We are a very violent, self-centered culture but it has absolutely nothing with video games. It's probably more the news and stupid ass reality shows than anything else. But make laws to stop it? Except for the massive war machine we're all excited about...no way.

I also think there's an inherent imbalance that's completely backward when comparing violence and sex in our culture. Sex is BAD BAD BAD. Show one nip and everyone freaks out like they've never seen it before. Tear a woman in half in a video game though....that's a protected expression of art that can't even be labeled as having "graphic content" and requiring parental consent to purchase. Our laws about sex and our obsession with keeping body parts hidden is fairly disturbed in my opinion, especially when compared to what we accept as normal, acceptable violent displays. If there was a balance here then our children's cartoons would be filled with poop fetish and S&M dungeons.

If anything though, a "liberal" might want EvE regulated so that it couldn't be sold to a 5 year old without an adult present. I don't think any of them are calling for video game *banning*...just don't peddle violence like a drug to the kids. I don't agree with their goals, but I can see their point.