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Help me choose my cruise missile ship for botlands ratting.

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Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#21 - 2015-01-02 02:31:20 UTC
Stapaina wrote:
Seith Dixon wrote:
Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting.

http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png
Or are my fits just stupid?


Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars.

If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back !
depends on how much you play and hoe lucky you are
But I got 30-40m/hour in a VNI (no loot/salvage), so if I focused on ratting for a day I'd get 300m+. I never do focus though, because I end up talking and forgetting, but yeah.
Signal11th
#22 - 2015-01-02 11:06:04 UTC
Stapaina wrote:
Seith Dixon wrote:
Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting.

http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png
Or are my fits just stupid?


Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars.

If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back !



I've always been puzzled by comments like this, first of all money is relative, 500 mill to someone might be like 50 mil to someone else, plus speed you spend money on ratting ships for speed why make 20 mil a tick when you can make 30-40 mill a tick??

Its the whole klllboard thing, O look I killed a 5 bill ratting ship aren't I great!!!.... as the chap you just killed buys another one and carries on as normal.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Stapaina
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2015-01-02 13:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Stapaina
Signal11th wrote:
Stapaina wrote:
Seith Dixon wrote:
Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting.

http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png
Or are my fits just stupid?


Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars.

If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back !



I've always been puzzled by comments like this, first of all money is relative, 500 mill to someone might be like 50 mil to someone else, plus speed you spend money on ratting ships for speed why make 20 mil a tick when you can make 30-40 mill a tick??

Its the whole klllboard thing, O look I killed a 5 bill ratting ship aren't I great!!!.... as the chap you just killed buys another one and carries on as normal.



I'll try to explain.

Look at the Raven fit:
2 pith invuls 280 mil x 2 = 560 mils
pith a-type med booster - 400 mils
cn navy boost amps 90 mils x 2 = 180 mils
cn navy ballistics 4 x 90 mils = 320 mils

+ Raven navy another 620 mils

Totaly 2 billion isks and maximum DPS is 1100 with slow warp speed and **** agility. If you make 50 mils an hour ratting, 2 billions is 40 hours of ratting !!!

Also why do you need such a tank for ratting with cruises ? Warp a distance, quickly kill everything, warp out.

Now look at the Gila with t2 fit (350 mils) it does 840 DPS with an exellent agility, tanks easily any rats, even with heavy neuting.

Also look at Istar T2 fit. It can do 942 DPS. And cost less then 400 mils.

And believe me, those 2 ships will do the ratting way quicker then a Raven.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2015-01-02 14:33:08 UTC
Stapaina wrote:
Signal11th wrote:
Stapaina wrote:
Seith Dixon wrote:
Hey guys, I bought a char with cruise missiles 2 while I skill it up for a Golem what ship should I use? This is botlands ratting.

http://puu.sh/dF44E/034e33e389.png
Or are my fits just stupid?


Why the hell do you put such an expensive mods on a ratting ship ?!? I've done my ratting in t2 fit Gila, ppl rat in Vexor Navy issues or Ishtars.

If you get ganked, you have to rat for 2 weeks to get the money back !



I've always been puzzled by comments like this, first of all money is relative, 500 mill to someone might be like 50 mil to someone else, plus speed you spend money on ratting ships for speed why make 20 mil a tick when you can make 30-40 mill a tick??

Its the whole klllboard thing, O look I killed a 5 bill ratting ship aren't I great!!!.... as the chap you just killed buys another one and carries on as normal.



I'll try to explain.

Look at the Raven fit:
2 pith invuls 280 mil x 2 = 560 mils
pith a-type med booster - 400 mils
cn navy boost amps 90 mils x 2 = 180 mils
cn navy ballistics 4 x 90 mils = 320 mils

+ Raven navy another 620 mils

Totaly 2 billion isks and maximum DPS is 1100 with slow warp speed and **** agility. If you make 50 mils an hour ratting, 2 billions is 40 hours of ratting !!!

Also why do you need such a tank for ratting with cruises ? Warp a distance, quickly kill everything, warp out.

Now look at the Gila with t2 fit (350 mils) it does 840 DPS with an exellent agility, tanks easily any rats, even with heavy neuting.

Also look at Istar T2 fit. It can do 942 DPS. And cost less then 400 mils.

And believe me, those 2 ships will do the ratting way quicker then a Raven.


The Navy Raven (or other ships, like my machariel) not only make more isk per hour, but fit properly they can solo the escalations (you can even solo blood raider naval ship yard with an extreme range sensor boosted MJD Fit Navy Raven, BNRNS is the hardest DED 10/10 in the game) While the Ishtar and Gila can do some tings (especially in Guristas/Serpentis Space), you end up needing another ship to do escalations almost everywhere else. At least this is the case until CCP lets Gila's and Ishtars fit and use MJDs.

My Navy Raven does 25 mil per tick (75 mil an hour) while being able to sit perfectly still aligned to a station without the hassle of having to rely on drones. The Machariel does even better, and when i use both together (the navy raven using FoF missiles then) it's pretty insane. I like the Gila and Ishtar but they just don't compare at all to properly fit faction PVE battleships.
Atuesuel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-01-02 15:32:24 UTC
LOL missiles and Shield Boats still 3 times better then a gallente ship Shocked
Agent Unknown
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-01-07 17:09:49 UTC
As much as these fits perform, they're *very* pricey ratting ships for 0.0 space. You can be the most careful pilot in EVE, but there will be a time where your attention will lapse and you'll lose a ship worth far more than the months of ratting you did to pay for it.

That's just my opinion, though. Leave the blingy stuff in high-sec.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#27 - 2015-01-08 00:43:54 UTC
Agent Unknown wrote:
As much as these fits perform, they're *very* pricey ratting ships for 0.0 space. You can be the most careful pilot in EVE, but there will be a time where your attention will lapse and you'll lose a ship worth far more than the months of ratting you did to pay for it.

That's just my opinion, though. Leave the blingy stuff in high-sec.
While I kind of agree with you, it's far less than months. A few days, depending on how much you rat.
Signal11th
#28 - 2015-01-08 09:27:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Agent Unknown wrote:
As much as these fits perform, they're *very* pricey ratting ships for 0.0 space. You can be the most careful pilot in EVE, but there will be a time where your attention will lapse and you'll lose a ship worth far more than the months of ratting you did to pay for it.

That's just my opinion, though. Leave the blingy stuff in high-sec.



Why? I usually make in 2 days enough to pay for any pricey bling ship I own if I lost it. People seem to be obsessed with the price of a ship.

E.G First time I ever attempted a Standard Sleeper Cache I was in a scanning tengu and promptly because I didn't know the site got popped. So the cost was around 600mil in total. (cheaper fit)

Found another Cache and the Maze in my spare one and after 1hr had made enough to pay for 2 tengus...it's all relative.

I on average make 1-3 bill Uevery 3 to 5 days just doing anoms and exploring and all you have to do (this bit is important) "fit your ship right even if it costs you an extra 500mil) and keep your wits about you at all time. The people searching for you are 90% just as stupid as the people who solo afk in a gila and wonder when they get back why they are back in a station.

Patience is what most people just don't have in this game, you're doing a site which may pay out 500-1bil and you get neutrals in the system, just refit (this is where you are glad you spent the extra 200mil on the fancy depot as it's giving you another 10 seconds to refit before it gets scanned down, by that time you are already refit and cloaked and gone) cloak and wait them out or move to another system and do another site and come back.

I actually get annoyed more not by losing an expensive ship but by having to source the blingy mods again as soon as I can.

I don't actually like ratting that much and on balance if me spending an extra 500 mill on a ship enables me to rat less "overall" I will do it. Keep your eye on local and make sure you know everything there is to know about a site e.g scrams/webs ships and you will be surprised how little you actually lose whilst ratting.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

Seith Dixon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-01-15 12:08:59 UTC
Who cares about the ship cost? Its easy to get back anyway.. And good intel is half of the work really... 1bil-1.5bil isn't that bad that is barly a carrier hull heh.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#30 - 2015-01-15 16:10:18 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Why? I usually make in 2 days enough to pay for any pricey bling ship I own if I lost it. People seem to be obsessed with the price of a ship.


This is the same line of thinking I get from people when I try to explain to them that they shouldn't be getting back thousands of dollars from their taxes.

Time is money friend.

Break it all down into a spreadsheet and look at how much money you are losing (not to mention time lost by having to retrain subsystems skills) by operating the way you are and you will see that isk efficiency isn't just an applicable stat to pvp but to ratting as well.

Unless of course you don't care enough because this is a video game in which case knock yourself out and have a ball doing whatever you want.

Start grinding out the ISK for a super and you will change your tune to be as efficient as possible.

Not today spaghetti.

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#31 - 2015-01-15 16:11:19 UTC
As for the OP's question:

Missles suck unless you are rocking a 1k dps tengu to solo an escalation.

Use guns or drones.

Not today spaghetti.

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