EVE General Discussion

you know the grannie joke at the bustop and the nightie right?

I liked their exploration idea, but then I am an explorer. Its a shame they canned it.

Exploring giant multi-level derelict structures that you can get lost in would be pretty sweet. Give us a motion tracker like in Alien so we can see if there is anyone else in there to hunt down.

Maybe we can throw a legion clone or a robot into our cargo and link up with it and use that to explore. So when you die you just wake up in your ship instead of half way across New Eden with your ship left behind. Maybe you can go back in if you brought more than one explorer clone/robot.

The clone/robot could use your existing hacking/analyzing/salvaging skills to find stuff of value. Get passed locked doors and disable security systems with hacking. Remove valuable parts from various things with the salvage skill (and a trusty blowtorch). Decipher alien languages with the analyzing skill maybe, for clues on how to bypass something or find the area with stuff worth hacking/salvaging. Get some sweet loot and huff it back to your ship before someone else comes along and shoots you in your face.

I wasn't too excited about the earlier WiS, with staring at corp mates in a meeting room and playing poker and whatnot.

Actually this is not entirely true. Legion is being made in Unreal 3, at least as of Fan Fest. And confirmed on the dust forums.

and we really have no idea how they plan to intergrade all the games with different engines. For all we know, they have a team working to convert eve to unreal. But who the hades knows. And Carbon is not JUST the avatar engine, it controls a lot of other factors as well, and is still being worked on, many devs have corrected this line of thinking that carbon is just the WiS engine, its not. I also would not be surprised if they had caned carbon for avatars and moved over to unreal. But not a dev so idk,

And we don't know what ccp and eves future plans are. But I think betting on them to grow in the next 5 years is a good bet. The Rift has a lot of hype, and could flop sure, but most people who tried it, myself included, love the damn thing. And if valk is a good game... then CCP has nothing to worry about.

assets don't get tossed out the window as soon as something is compiled in an engine. There's still everything that has been done from concept art to textures, and sets of vertexes that make up 3D models. You don't go from one engine to another. Instead, you back up some steps, and recompile everything for the other engine. baka.

both are correct.

also, anyone who says CCP won't last much longer is uninformed. it sounds dumb to people who know otherwise.

And CCP is giving you more EVE, in the proper way: seperate games that they are basically developing in the side and in tandem with paying attention to their flag ship product.'

EVE isn't the only game I play that has the "I want all the things in one easy package, without regard for how hard that would be for some developer to deliver" people in it. Just google "I want Infantry in World of TANKS" and you'll see the same thing. I once had a guy tell me that "Wargamming.net will eventually go out of business if they don't combine their games". It hasn't.



That 'original vision' led to a bloated, grasping, greedy company that thought one successful game meant that could make other games AND expanded their NICHE space ship game into something with more mass appeal while ignoring their core customers and "seeing what we would do, not what we would say"...

It took this community putting it's foot down to put a stop to that, and now CCP is a leaner, more focused and smaller organization that listens to and talks to it's customers, that rapidly delivers excellent values to it's core customers (every freaking 6 weeks now) and is an organization that knows which side of it's bread it's butter resides on (the EVE Online side). They are giving people who want to alk around and shoot stuff a game called Legion (on the PC, thank God) and people who want to do "jet fighters in space" will have Phoenix, and perhaps CCP will do what Wargaming.net is doing and have some sort of overal 'tie in' to the 3 seperate games.

And that's more than enough for me and I think peope like me. Trying to cram "WiS' into an old game that has a code base so old and mysertious that they would rather change superficual game mechancis than risk fooling with it (see the coming fight/FB nerf) was dumb to begin with. CCP isn't dumb anymore.

You *can* use the textures and maps from engine A on engine B. But, shall you look at PBR ships? How they look... wrong? Like, plastic toys? Shiny like glass? And that's just because, even using the same engine, they changed some of the mathematic foundations of rendering the textures. And now most textures and most maps are not suit to PBR, so they'll need to be redone until they look "right"... within the same exact engine!

High quality material and lighting takes 80% of the workload of any asset. The mesh... well, as long as it haves the right maount of polygons in it, it can be worked on. But it's secondary in terms of work. As soon as it doesn't causes geometry errors, it's kosher to go with any engine, with minor tweaking.

By the way: with or without WiS, the game still has got avatars.

Personally, I would love to see them expanded -more pre-set poses, more backgrounds, more mobility (torso, arms and hands at least...), and more options to see them full-body without being within the client preview.

Also, it would be great to have some direct control on light sources and camera position.

I don't need to see my space-Barbies walk and wave their hands. I just need to be able to pose them...

No one is forcing you to read anything I post. Sorry if the truth if offensive.

Well, I asked "more mobility", but I'm still unsure about allowing players to pose female avatars below the waist, heh.

*I* and everyone I know would make a sensible use of it, but generally speaking TTOO (Time To Outrageous Obscenity) would be quite short...