Crime & Punishment

Must be a rude awakening, when they find out that this isnt Star Trek Online.

Well no, CCP allowing it doesn't change the definition of the word. At the end of the day it's still griefing. Strictly speaking it's not even within their rules, since it's just RP being used as an excuse to grief.

Bull! They did a 180 on their vision for EVE when a bunch of players shot a monument. I'm sure there are many other changes driven by mass player whining too, just not as obvious.

at the end of the day it changes meta, who wants a stagnant game

Are you serious?

Do you believe CCP isn't aware of minerbumping or half the things put into Crime & Punishment much less what goes on in their software? People don't need to report anything to CCP because they already broadcast it all over the place. Further, CCP could look at the logs DIRECTLY if they want to know exactly what transpires in their game.

I'm very certain that they're aware of this ALOD just as an example. It's famous.

What people need to do isn't reporting things to CCP that CCP already has ready access to. They need to learn to play the game better.

This Abaddon aggressed an Incursus in a total crap fit and lost his ship, which was followed up by his buddy in a Raven Navy coming to his rescue firing torpedoes at a frigate. Duh.

What exactly is CCP supposed to do with these guys? The problem isn't that they're getting shot at, the problem is that they don't understand how the game works. Both guys, no tears. They weren't happy about it, but I bet they learned something in the process. Would I do it again? Yes. Why not?

The day you'll know that CCP has "done a 180" on highsec mechanics is when they simply remove CONCORD altogether and lock everyone's safety to green the moment you enter a highsec system. The result: more people flying around in ships they don't understand blissfully ignorant of how the game really works and as a result effectively confined to a subset of the systems in the game forever.

If you don't want to be shot at, play games where there are no guns... like spades or checkers.

Wrong. I don't care what your "desired gameplay technique" might be, you are in no way entitled to play the game that way. You enforce your ability to do so at the barrel of a gun.

Sandbox means that you can try and succeed at whatever you want, not that you will succeed at whatever you try.

That's hilarious. If even half of the people who claim they have reported me since I started playing this game 8 years ago actually did report me... then I personally have been reported about a hundred times.

And yet... nothing. The only inactive accounts I have are ones I deactivated myself.



Probably because it is against the rules to falsely report something out of spite. Abusing the petition system is a rule that CCP rarely enforces, but almost every miner is guilty of. Hey, just like harassment in local.

While true, you have to look at the population that was doing this.

It wasn't some 2 month old scrubs, but the vets who've been here practically forever (some HAVE been here forever). CCP wasn't looking at "losing some subs" but rather "losing their core audience".

On top of that, you also have to realize (and acknowledge) that the whole affair wasn't their caused by the "vision for eve" (e.g. WiS) but rather the internal memos (etc.) and sheer "**** you guys" attitude from certain individuals (*cough* Zulu *cough*) when CCP finally responded DAYS after the initial player reaction/disappointment. CCP has since realized their egos were too big for their own good (and the good of New Eden as a whole), and as such have redirected to a more healthy position.

I was keeping it on topic - you know, about how code are griefiers. You are the one trying to drag it into an enormous discussion about CCPs bot detection methods.

Yes, I've seen the way code "encourages" people to report them. You basically laugh and troll them into the belief that there's no point in doing it. Perhaps if you hate griefing so much, you could try not grieifng?

My post history would like a word with you.

Report away. Although your bar here is extremely subjective. If I come in with an exhumer and start strip mining the roid someone else in a velator is mining, is that negatively impacting them? Yes. If I form a corporation and recruit people in favorable time zones to clear all of the belts in a given highsec system of valuable ores right after downtime is that negatively impacting the game? Yes. Might they be upset about that? Sure. So should we make all of the roids in highsec have infinite ore so nobody has to share?



Again. Totally subjective. Who knows what will make someone upset. I just had a war target miner swearing at me because he didn't dock up when I came into the system he was in and he was blissfully mining away in a belt. I literally said nothing to this person.

Rein Chelien > o/
Miner War Target > **** you *******
Rein Chelien > why?
Miner War Target > I did nothing to you *******
Rein Chelien > is this what valor evolves into?
Miner War Target > You take **** too seriously then
Rein Chelien > what am I taking too seriously? you're the one swearing.
Miner War Target > I joined for mining, not to be taken out by some ******

You're in a corporation that's at war. The guy who has been killing your ships left and right comes into the system and you have a good minute or so to pack it up or reship and fight (please reship). You do nothing and continue mining away and then when you get killed, you convo your killer and spew the above. Did I shoot at him on purpose? Yes. Was he war decced because I expected to make new friends? Not realistically (although I'd be open to it). Did I negatively impact his game play? I'd say no because I've given him a purpose to play the game and created content for him but he seems to disagree at the moment.

Should the above be reported? What's the difference?



On this, we agree. I'm happy if they come over here and want to play. Just don't expect me to play wow in space as a result. That's not what I signed up for and my money is just as good as theirs.[/quote]



Dubious. If you're not losing anything in the game eventually you can just buy PLEX on the market with ISK and stop paying money each month to CCP for your subscription. All but one of the PLEXes I've ever purchased with cash (above my subscription fee) have been to replace losses incurred by losing things in the game somehow. My point though was that if you're living in a risk-free bubble in highsec, the transition to other areas of the game is going to be that much more difficult to make.



I'm not upset that someone wants to shoot red crosses in a glorified chat room. I don't want someone else forcing me to shoot at red crosses in a glorified chat room.

One thing that I believe really sets many of the people on my side of the argument apart from others is that nearly everyone who does highsec PVP does highsec PVE at times. They experience many aspects of the game and understand after a bit how having the two linked makes both better. I'm not so sure I can say the same for the Veers of the world. You might go out and give it a whirl for your own personal research so you'll better understand what really goes on out there.