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Is the Food Pyramid REALLY a guide to eating healthy?

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-12-18 23:40:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Herping yourDerp
EDIT, hyperlinks broke the post i thinks, so i removed them, sorry everyone
Edit2, apparently things auto link, hurray

I was bored, and watched this movie on netflix called "Fat head" Basically it was super size me, except he questioned all of it in a way a scientist would. he also had some experts talk about what is really going on in the medical community.
http://www.fathead-movie.com/

one of many claims was the Saturated animal fats are in fact good for you and that the food pyramid and government guidelines are what makes america so much Fatter compared to just 30 years ago.

after watching the movie i decided to so a BIT of research on the topic, because lets face it america is Fat and unhealthy compared to the 1980s and 1990s even with all these breakthroughs in medical science.

I watched this series of videos, which was the same guy giving a presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exi7O1li_wA&feature=related ( there are 5 parts about 9 mins each)
what Tom Naughton does here give facts that make sense.. and, its kind of scarey.

more searching i did this
http://www.fitnessinanevolutionarydirection.com/2011/06/big-fat-lies.html
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/22/7-Reasons-to-Eat-More-Saturated-Fat.aspx

(Turn speakers down)
http://www.health-report.co.uk/saturated_fats_health_benefits.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all

this is all food for thought at least for me. i've always noticed that when i ate a a steak, i would be tired or about 20 mins then feel full and have lots of energy, but if i had soup or something i would be ok for a bit then hungry about an hour later.
I am 5'8 and i weigh only 120 lbs, but i have decided to go on a lower carb diet ( at least less carbs then i have been eating) I don't expect to lose weight as I am already skinny but i want to feel healthier.
i want to know the forum goers thoughts on all this and the giant wall of text i put out.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#2 - 2011-12-19 00:04:25 UTC
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-12-19 00:08:45 UTC
as always, your posts are short sweet and to the point.
<3
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VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-19 00:28:14 UTC
I'm not sure I'd call following one man's work to be looking into a topic fairly... but it's a good topic.

I hate to sound like 'that kid' but the problem here is really corporate influence. We don't raw truth broadcast to us directly, we get people who want to make money on books, diet programs, pre-packaged foods, etc. On the other side we get people who don't want to LOSE money by letting it get out that various synthetics from preservatives, packaging, or the effects of food processing methods cause harm.

I operate on the basic understanding that everything you eat hurts you in some way. Pick anything you want and google "too much X" and there's nothing that can't hurt you. Water will kill you. Green leafy veggies will push everything through your intestines too quickly to absorb everything you could. Same is true in the other direction where things people think are terrible can be beneficial, remember everyone flip flopping on eggs? LOL.

Variety lets different parts of the body recover from harm, and makes sure you get lots of what you need. Mercury in tuna for example only becomes an issue for someone who eats way too much damn Tuna. So anyone trying to tell me to 'NEVER' eat one thing, or 'EAT LOTS' of another thing gets ignored real quick. The only things I believe a person should stay away from are the things that are too common (High fructose corn syrup in everything, ridiculous amounts of salt in everything, etc.) and I only encourage eating the things that are too uncommon like Avocado, sweet potatoes, etc.

my 2¢

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BLACK-STAR
#5 - 2011-12-19 04:30:49 UTC
I love food, cheese, sausages, chicken, ham, sammiches, pizza, pies. I'm hungry now..

I stay clear from fatty junk most of the time. I'm fit and I prepare my own meals from scratch instead of some tv dinner. Over big meals I take a nap for awhile, cause I get tired.

It's poor habits and decisions the person makes for himself or what he/she feeds their family. I think not many americans can (or take time to) cook or prepare their own meals nowadays so that's a contributing factor I believe (quicker to deep fry, instant meals etc). Also not many people read labels. They did it to themselves.

btw aspartame is pretty dangerous to consume.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-19 06:33:46 UTC
If we look at history, humans ate lots of meat before agriculture, so how can the possibly be bad for us. and they ate it ALL not just the lean parts.
Selinate
#7 - 2011-12-19 06:36:55 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
If we look at history, humans ate lots of meat before agriculture, so how can the possibly be bad for us. and they ate it ALL not just the lean parts.


It has to do with the crap that factory farms pump the animals full of before they slaughter them, and the environmental damage due to said farms, such as extreme water pollution and carbon emissions.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-19 06:37:30 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:
If we look at history, humans ate lots of meat before agriculture, so how can the possibly be bad for us. and they ate it ALL not just the lean parts.


It has to do with the crap that factory farms pump the animals full of before they slaughter them, and the environmental damage due to said farms, such as extreme water pollution and carbon emissions.


People have just become weak! That is all...

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-12-19 11:58:35 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
If we look at history, humans ate lots of meat before agriculture, so how can the possibly be bad for us. and they ate it ALL not just the lean parts.



People during that time had a life expectancy of around 20-30 years, so it didn't really matter what you ate, since you died before it could even potentially become an issue. I would also assume that food in general wasn't so abundantly available like today and people were forced to do loads of physical activities in their everyday lives. So eating like a fat pig wasn't really a possiblity for the general public and you got some decent excercise just doing everyday chores.
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-12-19 12:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivus Tao
The caveman diet is actually very healthy and cuts out processed grains and carbohydrates entirely. The key difference between what cavemen had to select from in the way of meat, and what we have slaughtered, cleaned, and wrapped for us are a night and day difference in terms of fat and nutrient content. The hunter/gatherers of old had a choice of lean protein, and more lean protein, not to say that those animals didn't have fat, just that they had much less than cattle. The modern cow by contrast is very fatty and unhealthy, compounded by the fact that fighting for survival is not necessary in cattle, making the animal even more unhealthy to consume.

The modern sedentary human needs little in terms of caloric intake assuming the necessary nutrients are present in what little is consumed. We can get away with a couple servings of protein, fruits, vegetables, with some nuts here and there in a day, totalling 1200 to 1600 calories in a day. Hunter/gatherers by contrast had to consume 4,000 or more calories per day to maintain a healthy diet, in colder regions that number only increases.

It's not only an issue of people becoming weak, but the animals we primarily consume being bred to be weak. This is exemplified by the modern turkey, modified to be so meaty that it can't even reproduce without human assistance, somewhat ironic with the explosion of fertility clinics and treatments.

Edit: It's also entirely false that hunter/gatherers had a short life expectancy. The average life expectancy was quite low due to people being killed by predators, illness or injury untreatable without complex surgical intervention, and a decent infant mortality rate. Once an individual in the group had made it past his first few years of life however (and assuming no life threatening injury or illness), it was not uncommon to reach 70 or 80 years of age, and die either naturally, or due to starvation because their teeth would fall out and they could no longer eat enough to keep up their strength and remain with the group.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-12-19 13:00:49 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:


Edit: It's also entirely false that hunter/gatherers had a short life expectancy. The average life expectancy was quite low due to people being killed by predators, illness or injury untreatable without complex surgical intervention, and a decent infant mortality rate. Once an individual in the group had made it past his first few years of life however (and assuming no life threatening injury or illness), it was not uncommon to reach 70 or 80 years of age, and die either naturally, or due to starvation because their teeth would fall out and they could no longer eat enough to keep up their strength and remain with the group.


I was talking about average life expectancy and I'm quite well aware it's mostly lower to reasons other than the diet. If you lived to be an adult you often lived a decently long life, but still decades shorter than what can be expected today on averge. The reason I think it's relevant is exactly because the current debating about diet is not strictly a diet issue, but more of a lifestyle issue. That being the diet only becomes an issue because life in a modern society doesn't give our bodies the exercise it needs to function properly and we live so long, that we can suffer from the long term affects of diets.

A person living a healthy life, from exercising point of view at least, and who eats reasonably isn't going to be suffering from a bad diet until he reaches a very old age. High blood pressure, cancer, heart desease or diabetes are typical bad diet problems today and they tend to manifest at ages most people were already dead or dying anyway in early hunter/gatherer societies. I'm not saying they necessarily had a bad diet or would have suffered because of that, especially since they weren't lazy fatasses, but I'm saying it's questionable to claim their diet wasn't bad based on that they didn't seem to suffer from it. Reason simply being, that considering their lifestyle, it couldn't have been a significant issue at their life expectancy range bracket in the first place and bad diet just raises the risks of bad things happening to you. EVen if they had sufferend from a raised level of risk, who would have noticed the difference.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-12-19 21:47:45 UTC
What do humans naturally want to eat.
in the natural world without processed food its fatty salty meats, or sweet fruits and vegetables.
grain, wheat, vegetable oil are not in there in. wheat and grain = carbs, which humans almost never air
the food pyramid says to eat 8-10 servings of the things humans were not naturally eating so it doesnt make sense.
why was the food pyramid and other health decisions made without CLINICAL testing but rather observations?
how come since fat intake has dropped and carb intake increases suddenly all these issues in health have arisen?
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#13 - 2011-12-19 23:15:18 UTC
Actually, I recall a few months ago that the US government consulted some dieticians about the Food Pyramid, and they determined that it presents a very unrealistic expectation of a typically 'healthy' diet.

I can't rememer the actual findings, but essentially, they said that the current Food Pyramid gives the false impression that a person would be in good health if they were to follow it as written, when it may actually be detrimental to their overall health -- the servings and foods suggested in the Pyramid don't conform to a typical person's eating habits or take into account serving sizes and dietary requirements.

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Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-20 00:03:50 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
What do humans naturally want to eat.
in the natural world without processed food its fatty salty meats, or sweet fruits and vegetables.
grain, wheat, vegetable oil are not in there in. wheat and grain = carbs, which humans almost never air
the food pyramid says to eat 8-10 servings of the things humans were not naturally eating so it doesnt make sense.
why was the food pyramid and other health decisions made without CLINICAL testing but rather observations?
how come since fat intake has dropped and carb intake increases suddenly all these issues in health have arisen?


A possible explanation is corporate influence. If it was a "healthier" number of carbs ie 2-4 servings per day, people wouldn't be able to have their favorite cereals for breakfast with a wonderbread sandwich for lunch and pastas at dinner. Also, looking at your average hamburger it's fairly exactly proportioned to the food pyramid in carbs, meats, and veggies.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-12-20 00:31:06 UTC
Shivus Tao wrote:
[quote=Herping yourDerp]A possible explanation is corporate influence. If it was a "healthier" number of carbs ie 2-4 servings per day, people wouldn't be able to have their favorite cereals for breakfast with a wonderbread sandwich for lunch and pastas at dinner. Also, looking at your average hamburger it's fairly exactly proportioned to the food pyramid in carbs, meats, and veggies.



Are you saying Hamburger is a vegetable?
Folks don't take kindly to that kinda talk 'round these forums.

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Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-12-20 01:41:13 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Shivus Tao wrote:
[quote=Herping yourDerp]A possible explanation is corporate influence. If it was a "healthier" number of carbs ie 2-4 servings per day, people wouldn't be able to have their favorite cereals for breakfast with a wonderbread sandwich for lunch and pastas at dinner. Also, looking at your average hamburger it's fairly exactly proportioned to the food pyramid in carbs, meats, and veggies.



Are you saying Hamburger is a vegetable?
Folks don't take kindly to that kinda talk 'round these forums.


There are typically pickles, lettuce, and onions on hamburgers. Tomatoes as well cue the "pizza is a vegetable" thread.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2011-12-20 06:11:29 UTC
hamburger has like 3 carbs in total unless you count the bun.
plus
the buns are simple carbs and spike your blood sugar.
vegetables and fruit are complex carbs and take longer to bring your blood sugar up.
basically if you are gonna eat a cheeseburger, add bacon, and use 1 bun if you can wrap it around ( personally i cut each bun in half now)