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Got Concorded after shooting someone with suspect flag
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nihlanth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-01-06 17:21:55 UTC
So, a heron with a clearly flashing orange skull next to his name warps into my highsec mission trying to salvage some of my wrecks next to one of my MTU's.

He warps off after seeing my battleship align towards him so I then come back in my salvager frig to clean up the wrecks, but also equipped with some combat gear expecting him to return.

As expected, he warps into the same spot as before, and still has a flashing orange skull.

So I attacked, and nearly destroyed his heron until Concord came to his rescue.

I don't mind loosing my frig, but I'm confused about the suspect flag.

After reading up on the criminal watch mechanics, you are supposed to be able to attack any player with a suspect flag in highsec, right?

If so, is this something I can/should petition?

I find it highly unlikely that his suspect timer ran out just before I initiated combat, as he still had the orange skull when he warped in 5 seconds before I attacked.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2015-01-06 17:25:14 UTC
Downside of red safety settings ;)

you sure you ONLY have it "yellow AND flashy" for suspects, and didn't also turn it on for "below zero" sec status?

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Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-06 19:18:34 UTC
nihlanth wrote:
So, a heron with a clearly flashing orange skull next to his name warps into my highsec mission trying to salvage some of my wrecks next to one of my MTU's.

He warps off after seeing my battleship align towards him so I then come back in my salvager frig to clean up the wrecks, but also equipped with some combat gear expecting him to return.

As expected, he warps into the same spot as before, and still has a flashing orange skull.

So I attacked, and nearly destroyed his heron until Concord came to his rescue.

I don't mind loosing my frig, but I'm confused about the suspect flag.

After reading up on the criminal watch mechanics, you are supposed to be able to attack any player with a suspect flag in highsec, right?

If so, is this something I can/should petition?

I find it highly unlikely that his suspect timer ran out just before I initiated combat, as he still had the orange skull when he warped in 5 seconds before I attacked.




Orange? I thought it was yellow.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#4 - 2015-01-06 20:48:21 UTC
To avoid this in the future:

1. Turn your safety off of red. If you're running missions, ideally you'd want it set to green. If you had safeties set to green and got CONCORDed, that's likely something you could petition.

2. Double-check your Overview settings. I believe that the default setting for suspect is a flashing yellow icon with a flashing yellow background. If you just saw a flashing orange icon, your target may have been a -2.0 security status pilot, which is NOT okay to freely engage. I'd wager that this is what happened.

3. Be careful shooting suspects at long range with missiles. If they go not-suspect while your missile is in flight and still hit, you will get CONCORDed. It's not pretty.

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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#5 - 2015-01-06 21:57:38 UTC
4) leave highsec, shoot anyone you want

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-01-06 21:58:40 UTC
Orange might also be killrights available, which again would make him NOT a legal target (at first anyways).

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#7 - 2015-01-06 22:07:58 UTC
Sounds like a textbook overview/safety settings issue to me.

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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2015-01-06 22:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Tengu Grib wrote:
Orange might also be killrights available, which again would make him NOT a legal target (at first anyways).

This is what I am thinking.

OP, did it look like this(1) or this(2)?

If it was the former, I would petition it, if the latter, it was indeed a kill right available and not that he was suspect. If he is orange, you need to activate the killright before you attack. As mentioned, the safety will protect you, keep it on yellow or green unless you intend to lose your ship via suicide gank.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2015-01-06 23:20:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Sounds like a textbook overview/safety settings issue to me.



This.

Assuming you are looking for fights, safety should always be yellow in highsec unless you are in warp to a suicide gank target (then set it red while actually in warp, second last thing you do before turning on overheated SeBos) or you are flying logi in a war or AWOX situation (then default to green).

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2015-01-07 00:39:23 UTC
Meh, red safety best safety.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#11 - 2015-01-07 01:49:32 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Meh, red safety best safety.


If you live in highsec, permanent red safety is one of the silliest things you can do, up there with autopiloting a freighter through Uedama or mining without a permit in an untanked Hulk named Ungankable.

It's a different matter entirely if you live in a different region of space and are just passing through highsec.

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Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-01-07 04:22:32 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Meh, red safety best safety.


If you live in highsec, permanent red safety is one of the silliest things you can do, up there with autopiloting a freighter through Uedama or mining without a permit in an untanked Hulk named Ungankable.


Whether this is intended as good advice or fiendish reverse psychology (everyone keeps doing those other silly things), I approve.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#13 - 2015-01-07 04:32:56 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Meh, red safety best safety.


If you live in highsec, permanent red safety is one of the silliest things you can do, up there with autopiloting a freighter through Uedama or mining without a permit in an untanked Hulk named Ungankable.

It's a different matter entirely if you live in a different region of space and are just passing through highsec.


Or, you're older than 201x (whenever they put that safety thing in) and are used to it.

Not to mention that some of the best stories I've heard tend to start out with "so, I was an idiot and shot [something stupid cheap] with [something stupid expensive] in hisec..."

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2015-01-07 04:50:47 UTC
Hippinse wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Meh, red safety best safety.


If you live in highsec, permanent red safety is one of the silliest things you can do, up there with autopiloting a freighter through Uedama or mining without a permit in an untanked Hulk named Ungankable.


Whether this is intended as good advice or fiendish reverse psychology (everyone keeps doing those other silly things), I approve.


......*is not sure how this could, in any way, be reverse psychology.....or why that would make it any less sound advice*
Hippinse
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-01-07 10:22:25 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Hippinse wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Meh, red safety best safety.


If you live in highsec, permanent red safety is one of the silliest things you can do, up there with autopiloting a freighter through Uedama or mining without a permit in an untanked Hulk named Ungankable.


Whether this is intended as good advice or fiendish reverse psychology (everyone keeps doing those other silly things), I approve.


......*is not sure how this could, in any way, be reverse psychology.....or why that would make it any less sound advice*


I'm not sure whether you're asking what the joke is, or what reverse psychology is.
Elena Morin'staal
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-01-07 12:12:12 UTC
I did the opposite. I tried to shoot an Atron in low, with my safety still foolishly left on green from a looooong time age. He escaped as I couldn't drop a point on him :(
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#17 - 2015-01-07 12:41:23 UTC
If you are in hisec and worry about such things, set your safety to Yellow.

Otherwise, go Red and fly it like you stole it.

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-01-07 14:52:44 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
If you are in hisec and worry about such things, set your safety to Yellow.

Otherwise, go Red and fly it like you stole it.

I always fly it like I stole it. I probably did though.

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Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-01-07 19:36:14 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
If you are in hisec and worry about such things, set your safety to Yellow.

Otherwise, go Red and fly it like you stole it.

I always fly it like I stole it. I probably did though.


Liberated it would be the correct term. You didn't steal it, you liberated it.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-01-08 15:54:37 UTC
Tengu Grib wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
If you are in hisec and worry about such things, set your safety to Yellow.

Otherwise, go Red and fly it like you stole it.

I always fly it like I stole it. I probably did though.


Liberated it would be the correct term. You didn't steal it, you liberated it.

Well since I'm no longer an agent, its no longer a revolutionary act. I think stole is the proper term now. I'll leave you to the liberation!

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