Crime & Punishment

Law of Supply: At higher prices, a larger quantity will generally be supplied than at lower prices, all other things being equal.
Shortage—excess quantity demanded or insufficient quantity supplied. Difference between the quantity demanded and supplied at a specific price below the market clearing price.

Resources—(or Factors of Production) Are Scarce
Production Possibilities Curve—a curve representing all possible combinations of total output that could be produced assuming (a) a fixed amount of productive resources and (b) the efficient use of those resources


Two of the most basic Macroeconomic principles that anyone in a 100 level class would be taught. This guy is denying hundreds of years of practice and education to support ganking as something more noble than it is.

If you feel that Code is engaging in griefplay, the correct response is to press F12, and submit a support ticket detailing exactly why you think this is so. We get this pounded into our heads enough as is.

Should the GMs agree with you, then yes, Code is a group of griefers. They will be dealt with under ToS EULA, the world will continue to spin, and life will go on.

If the GM's disagree with you, and decide that Code isn't engaged in griefplay...well, by definition, that means they aren't griefers, within the bounds of EULA and ToS.

Now, you can use some other definition of griefing, which is totally your prerogative, but that means exactly nothing when it comes to the world of Eve. The staff of CCP are the only ones who can make a binding decision on what is or is not griefing, within the bounds of the world they control. Not me, you, James 315, The Mittani, or anyone else. If they say "not griefing", well, it's not griefing.

It's not quite the same. If I pay more tax, crooks in jail don't get more. Ganking a non-bot miner however is directly beneficial to a botter, as it's removing his competition.

I completely agree, botters should be removed. But when they aren't a group claiming to be anti-botters should actually be anti-botters. If their actions are benefiting botters, then perhaps they need to rethink their strategy.

In realism the truth is that code aren't anti-botters, they just want to harvest tears. This is why their actions don't match their stated beliefs.

Except we already know how CCP feel. Some griefing is OK (and yes, they still refer to it as griefing), because the amount of cash they'd lose from banning it this late in the game would be too high. Code aim to collect tears by upsetting other players. They then wind them up into even more of a frenzy and post that on their blog. There's really no way that isn't griefing. They've simply pushed the boundaries slowly enough that they've bent with them rather than breaking. At some point the barrier will break, and like the bonus room fiasco, CCP will do a 180 and stop it.

I would never suggest that ganking is wrong or bad. I simply am saying that Code is not doing it for the pvp, the isk, the bot-removal or for fun. They are doing it to grief, that is all. Anyone who has been attempted recruited into the organization, anyone who ever was and anyone with access to their information can tell you that their sole purpose in life is to make players quit, or at least quit playing in high-sec.

That is not noble. Ganking a rookie ship with 72bil in plex in the hold? That is down right awesome.

Or returning risk-reward back to HiSec mining, or helping players learn the game, or encouraging players to do something more fun with their free time.

No?

No, they are bad, bad people incapable of doing good things. This has got absolutely nothing to do with the fact you can't see anything in any way apart from your own point of view.

Grr! Do as I say or I will tell CCP!

Interfering with a players desired gameplay technique or trying to force players to play a certain way is griefing and absolutely horrible. But like Kell said, it isn't up to me or you, it is up to CCP and one day I am sure they will get fed up with it like they did Isboxer and FW exploits.

Have you even LOGGED IN to eve?! Interfering with each other's gameplay is kinda the point (see wardecs, camping, ganking, awoxing, scamming, etc.)

And he was wrong. This is no different than him not knowing any better by taking a mission that goes into lowsec and getting blown up, and thinking that since the mission was in highsec, he would be safe.

But is it the gatecampers fault for blowing up a new player who didnt know any better and wandered into lowsec thinking it was safe? Of course not. If you are ignorant of the game mechanics, and you die, its no ones fault but your own. There are plenty of players who figure out that Hisec isnt 100% safe, and that you can shoot at each other, early on. Infact, its the first thing we teach to new members in our corp. Theres a help channel. Theres a corp channel. Theres a mining channel. Theres an anti-ganking channel. Players will be glad to inform you of how this game works and what to watch out for when youre mining. If you dont make the effort to learn, however, youll never know any better.

Furthermore, if 90% of the kills that Code makes, were on 2 week old new characters who went straight to training into mining barges, you may have a point. But even a cursory glance at Code.'s killboard, shows otherwise. The evidence, proves you wrong on that count. Most miners who get ganked, know better, but choose to do it anyways, because thats how Eve is, you balance the risk with the reward.




Please dont ignore my response to your RMT botting argument, while continuing on the assumption that most Botters are RMT.

So I ask again. What percent of botters are RMTers, and what percent of RMT botters are being killed, as opposed to regular botters who just want to make isk on the side?



And how is someone supposed to react to local chat, when they are afk mining? How is an ice miner who is watching a movie, supposed to react when Eve is minimized? Or are you not aware that AFK miners are just as much a target, sometimes even more so, than non-afk miners? Are you not aware that many who die claim they werent afk but didnt respond to local because they were local chat blink was off, or they had it minimized and was doing something else?

So please, explain to me, how code distinguishes from an AFK miner and a botter. Please, go ahead. Ill wait.



I'm not the one who invented something out of thin air and used it as a basis for leaving a discussion. Maybe you should include those quotes in your response, and say “Woops, my mistake, you didnt”? Instead, you ignore all that, along with half my arguments, and post more silly nonsense like this.

Maybe you should grow up and take responsibility for your actions, you know, like an adult, and actually apologize when youre wrong about something.

Then CCP must be the biggest griefing corp of all. Nobody interferes with people's ability to play how they want than CCP.