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Exploring in nullsec

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Groover Crendraven
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#1 - 2015-01-06 17:27:52 UTC
Hi guys,my first post in the forum yay :)

Just recently i have started exploring in nullsec,looking for data and relic sites,and i just cant find any...
I did find some about a week ago but for the last couple of days nothing.In the past 3 days,every day i went through at least 40-50 nullsec systems and didnt found a single site...
Am i just really unlucky or what?
I know someone must have cleaned it out before i got there,but i usually play about 4 hours after the server restarts and cant play sooner.

So was this just bad luck or should i start doing combat sites,cause i see a load of those...?
ThxLol
VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-01-06 17:33:27 UTC  |  Edited by: VaIefar Drekavac
Groover Crendraven wrote:
Hi guys,my first post in the forum yay :)

Just recently i have started exploring in nullsec,looking for data and relic sites,and i just cant find any...
I did find some about a week ago but for the last couple of days nothing.In the past 3 days,every day i went through at least 40-50 nullsec systems and didnt found a single site...
Am i just really unlucky or what?
I know someone must have cleaned it out before i got there,but i usually play about 4 hours after the server restarts and cant play sooner.

So was this just bad luck or should i start doing combat sites,cause i see a load of those...?
ThxLol


AFAIK, playing before or after server maintenance has but little to no impact on exploration, since the sites do not "reset", but rather re-spawn on an apparent random basis.

As such, it's possible to find systems with many sites and then again, systems with none at all. It's entirely possible that you have been in somebody's trail (x-jumps ahead of you) and as such, you've been just unlucky.

I do assume there are also a whole lot of people doing exploration.


Do correct me if I'm wrong though, I usually have to ask my way to my vessel's bridge, so..
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#3 - 2015-01-06 17:35:09 UTC
Go to a different region and try again. Its just people cleaning them all out before you get there, that's all.





And don't be afraid to run through other people's sov systems too. Half the time the carebears are too scared due to a red in the constellation to undock and run sites, giving you the prime access!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Jake Peters
ICT World Bank
#4 - 2015-01-06 18:15:21 UTC
Note to self....skip the exploration profession!

....or maybe that's just what you want us to think to deter us.....Big smile
Groover Crendraven
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#5 - 2015-01-06 18:19:42 UTC
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
Groover Crendraven wrote:
Hi guys,my first post in the forum yay :)

Just recently i have started exploring in nullsec,looking for data and relic sites,and i just cant find any...
I did find some about a week ago but for the last couple of days nothing.In the past 3 days,every day i went through at least 40-50 nullsec systems and didnt found a single site...
Am i just really unlucky or what?
I know someone must have cleaned it out before i got there,but i usually play about 4 hours after the server restarts and cant play sooner.

So was this just bad luck or should i start doing combat sites,cause i see a load of those...?
ThxLol


AFAIK, playing before or after server maintenance has but little to no impact on exploration, since the sites do not "reset", but rather re-spawn on an apparent random basis.

As such, it's possible to find systems with many sites and then again, systems with none at all. It's entirely possible that you have been in somebody's trail (x-jumps ahead of you) and as such, you've been just unlucky.

I do assume there are also a whole lot of people doing exploration.


Do correct me if I'm wrong though, I usually have to ask my way to my vessel's bridge, so..


U sure about sites respawning random and not after server restart?
Gitahh
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2015-01-06 18:29:41 UTC
Groover Crendraven wrote:

U sure about sites respawning random and not after server restart?


If I remember correctly, the sites only despawn after someone has run it, or a certain amount of time passes with it NOT being run.

Once a site despawns, a new site will spawn somewhere else. Sometimes it's not in the same system.

You should try running some sites in wormholes, there's usually plenty to choose from! Just please remember to use bookmarks once you get inside the wormhole, otherwise you will get lost and have to probe your way back out.

Please, make bookmarks. Don't make the same mistake other rookie explorers have!
Groover Crendraven
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#7 - 2015-01-06 19:04:35 UTC
Gitahh wrote:
Groover Crendraven wrote:

U sure about sites respawning random and not after server restart?


If I remember correctly, the sites only despawn after someone has run it, or a certain amount of time passes with it NOT being run.

Once a site despawns, a new site will spawn somewhere else. Sometimes it's not in the same system.

You should try running some sites in wormholes, there's usually plenty to choose from! Just please remember to use bookmarks once you get inside the wormhole, otherwise you will get lost and have to probe your way back out.

Please, make bookmarks. Don't make the same mistake other rookie explorers have!


Thx,that helps a lot,guess it was just bad luck then :(
Gonna try again see how it goes,and i cant do wormhole sites cause those are guarded and im doing my exploring in a mighty imicusLol
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#8 - 2015-01-06 19:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Gitahh wrote:

...
You should try running some sites in wormholes, there's usually plenty to choose from!
...

And when the WH residents (or pvp day-trippers) decloak beside him in a Proteus, and land with other sundry r@pe accoutrements?

While you may find more unworked sites in WH's, the risks go up astronomically with having no local chat to watch for +1's. Just sayin.

F
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#9 - 2015-01-06 19:27:56 UTC
Groover Crendraven wrote:
Gitahh wrote:
Groover Crendraven wrote:

U sure about sites respawning random and not after server restart?


If I remember correctly, the sites only despawn after someone has run it, or a certain amount of time passes with it NOT being run.

Once a site despawns, a new site will spawn somewhere else. Sometimes it's not in the same system.

You should try running some sites in wormholes, there's usually plenty to choose from! Just please remember to use bookmarks once you get inside the wormhole, otherwise you will get lost and have to probe your way back out.

Please, make bookmarks. Don't make the same mistake other rookie explorers have!


Thx,that helps a lot,guess it was just bad luck then :(
Gonna try again see how it goes,and i cant do wormhole sites cause those are guarded and im doing my exploring in a mighty imicusLol



It's set up that sites that would spawn in low sec spawn in wormholes now too so you can run them in your imicus and be just fine, remember to check D-scan frequently however. You never know who could be lurking about so catching combat probes or even thier ship on scan will give you the heads up you may need to get out safely.

Oderint Dum Metuant

Groover Crendraven
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#10 - 2015-01-06 19:45:52 UTC
Aralieus wrote:
Groover Crendraven wrote:
Gitahh wrote:
Groover Crendraven wrote:

U sure about sites respawning random and not after server restart?


If I remember correctly, the sites only despawn after someone has run it, or a certain amount of time passes with it NOT being run.

Once a site despawns, a new site will spawn somewhere else. Sometimes it's not in the same system.

You should try running some sites in wormholes, there's usually plenty to choose from! Just please remember to use bookmarks once you get inside the wormhole, otherwise you will get lost and have to probe your way back out.

Please, make bookmarks. Don't make the same mistake other rookie explorers have!


Thx,that helps a lot,guess it was just bad luck then :(
Gonna try again see how it goes,and i cant do wormhole sites cause those are guarded and im doing my exploring in a mighty imicusLol



It's set up that sites that would spawn in low sec spawn in wormholes now too so you can run them in your imicus and be just fine, remember to check D-scan frequently however. You never know who could be lurking about so catching combat probes or even thier ship on scan will give you the heads up you may need to get out safely.


Wait,i dont understand,i can do data and relic sites in wormholes without getting into combat with the sleepers or whatever they are called?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-01-06 19:46:53 UTC
Be brave, a single successful null type relic nets you enough to replace a lot of T1 scanning frigs, just unload your loot frequently. The pirate faction sites are also spawning in lower class WHs now ("unknown space"), but avoid warping to the "unsecured" and "forgotten" sleeper sites as they contain tough rats.

Also check the search results in the forum, a lot of info about null exploration to find here.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Twitch Seilus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-01-06 19:59:49 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Be brave, a single successful null type relic nets you enough to replace a lot of T1 scanning frigs, just unload your loot frequently. The pirate faction sites are also spawning in lower class WHs now ("unknown space"), but avoid warping to the "unsecured" and "forgotten" sleeper sites as they contain tough rats.

Also check the search results in the forum, a lot of info about null exploration to find here.


Do all relic/data sites in WH space contain sleeper patrols or just some?
Gitahh
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-01-06 20:02:55 UTC
Groover Crendraven wrote:
Wait,i dont understand,i can do data and relic sites in wormholes without getting into combat with the sleepers or whatever they are called?



Yes. Just do Data and Relic sites if you don't want any combat. And as others have said, wormholes can be dangerous. Just use your directional scan often and stay alert and you should be okay.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-01-06 20:04:05 UTC
Twitch Seilus wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Be brave, a single successful null type relic nets you enough to replace a lot of T1 scanning frigs, just unload your loot frequently. The pirate faction sites are also spawning in lower class WHs now ("unknown space"), but avoid warping to the "unsecured" and "forgotten" sleeper sites as they contain tough rats.

Also check the search results in the forum, a lot of info about null exploration to find here.


Do all relic/data sites in WH space contain sleeper patrols or just some?

Only those with the key words above are guarded afaik ... Positive, check for those with a pirate faction name, e.g. "Sansha" in the name, they are NPC-free.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-01-06 20:37:59 UTC
Gitahh wrote:
Groover Crendraven wrote:
Wait,i dont understand,i can do data and relic sites in wormholes without getting into combat with the sleepers or whatever they are called?


Yes. Just do Data and Relic sites if you don't want any combat. And as others have said, wormholes can be dangerous. Just use your directional scan often and stay alert and you should be okay.

Your going to get this dude murdered by a skilled WH resident (or day tripper) in a cloaky Prot. At least in null you can watch local and cloak up when +1's enter, in a WH your d-scan does squat against that covops warping in on you.

p.s.
Also, good luck catching a hunter briefly transitioning from entry/logon to cloaking up, once the Recon changes go in removing them from d-scan completely...

Better use of a WH solo exploration wise is just as a conduit to nullsec IMHO, where you can find empty systems, run sites, and cloak as soon as you see a +1 in local.

F
Serene Repose
#16 - 2015-01-06 20:50:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
If you take advice on this forum about things involving your personal security (i.e., where your butt is gonna be)
you're NUTS.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-01-06 21:03:26 UTC
Try this:

1. Look for wormholes leading to nullsec

2. Jump through, then check out the region on dotlan. Check for activity (jumps, PVP kills, NPC kills)

3. If activity levels are very low, hunt for data/relic

4. If they're high, go back to 1


I've always read that sites respawn as soon as someone clears them, in some other place. In theory, this means that, though you won't find much in regions with a lot of traffic, you could find LOTS in 'remote' regions.

Good luck!

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#18 - 2015-01-06 21:19:35 UTC
Investigating wormholes is a good idea, but be warned that not all the sites will be safe. Any Sleeper site will have very, VERY powerful rats protecting it. In a wormhole, you want to look for the nulsec-class sites. These will have names involving Sansha, Guristas, Angels, Serpentis, and Blood Raiders. The others are all going to be Sleeper sites which take a LOT of firepower (and tank) to handle.

One big thing you can always do with a wormhole, though, is use it to get to other parts of New Eden that may not have as much activity. Deep nulsec or distant lowsec are both a normal stop with wormholes, and while nulsec sites do indeed have better payouts, you'll still make more if you run many lowsec sites over a single nulsec site, so don't discount an area just because it isn't nulsec.
Groover Crendraven
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#19 - 2015-01-06 21:31:31 UTC
I didnt know there are sites in wormholes that arent guarded,that changes a lot of thingsLol
And dont worry guys i can handle wormholes i have been using them to get from high sec to nullsec and didnt die once so far...
Thx a lot for replies guys Smile
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#20 - 2015-01-06 23:04:12 UTC
Groover Crendraven wrote:
Hi guys,my first post in the forum yay :)

Just recently i have started exploring in nullsec,looking for data and relic sites,and i just cant find any...

[snip]

ThxLol



Sometimes if you scan something else down (ships, structures, etc) and play with your default settings you can forget to set them back to show anomalies and sites, etc. Make sure your scan list is set to show these things. I've had it happen before and spent a few minutes scratching my head.

Other than that - yes other people might have gotten there first and run them before you (not likely though if you say this happened in a great deal of systems), or it could just be a run of bad luck from the (non) random number generator. Try a different region maybe?
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