EVE General Discussion

That's right. And sad.

You're not ordinary.
lol Erica ... No, you are NOT ordinary. :p
The most ordinary people are those who do not ever post at all ...
... and of all people who post you are definitely not even close to ordinary. d:


I never oppose change just because I prefer things stay as they are. That's just a sad state of mind.

I oppose the idea of change that looks like it has negative consequences.
You too would not want to have what Second Life has, as example, here in EVE.

You wouldn't. Read on.


You're probably the most reasonable person to talk with about it.

Provide a way of natural selection to weed out the scum from the game ...
... and you can have my support. Before that though, I'm not willing to give it.


I am sure that most people will have much less issue with WiS,
given that there is a way to take care of those who need to be taken care of.


There is sadly no indication that the majority of WiS people want it to be PvP in any way or form.

And without that, WiS simply is a horrible idea. Not even our current carebears would want all
these lunatic self entitled vermin crybaby carebears who rage BLOODYMURDERGRIEFER
at the slightest HINT of someone doing anything to them.


Example? ArcheAge. One out of so many!

People who kill their own faction do not cause any actual loss. There is no loot dropped, there is no XP lost,
there is only a minor, rediculous repair cost to items for the victim. The vermin, though,
will call you any name in the book. You're a sociopath, murder, rapist, molester,
that you should be beaten to death, someone should visit you at your door, **** you,
you should be hit by a car, the police should bust you, etc. etc. etc. ....

... just because you ruined their worthless sorry asses' illusion in a ******* videogame.

These people are the worst scum.


TL;DR, YES THERE IS ONE:


A GIGANTIC part of the whole problem!
EVE is a PVP game!
The scum wants to be left alone, so they can feel great about how ******* worthless they are!


Conclusion: WiS ain't ever gonna happen, unless we can kill the **** out of them!
The best way to make WiS interesting for more than the small crowd ...
... is to give us an outlook on how to keep these people out of the game!

There it is. That is the common denominator present not only in WiS people but all "more subs" and "EVE would be great if" types. The idea, no, the feeling that EVE isn't already all it needs to be.

But the truth is, that's just those particular individuals seeing the cup half empty when it fact it's not even half full, it's FULL full lol. A large subset of humanity consists of people who can't really be happy with something for very long and always want 'more' of something. On a persona note I've dealt with people like that my entire life, and to a man (or woman) they never get why I'm happy with whatever situation i'm in (be it game, job, relationship whatever) while they find themselves in a constant state 'less than happy'-ness.

The above is why when CCp adds something new to the game some of us (who are already naturally content) are ecstatic (because CCP took something that was already great and somehow made it greater) while the "EVE has so much potential" crowd greats each new patch with muted 'meh....well, maybe that's a nice step in the right direction...maybe' .



This bit is just an outright self serving lie. The idea that people like me simply want things to stay the same as opposed to these wonderfully altruistic WiS types who want nothing personally for themselves but rather just want a better game for the sake of the children is pure hogwash.

What people like me want is for CCP to learn from the past, a past where trying to turn a excellent niche game company into the next mediocre and soon to die Blizzard clone failed (as it should have). A past where said excellent niche game company decided to 'back-burner' core development of their only successful product in an attempt to create a situation where they could draw in both the space-barbie crowd (incarna) and the "alternative lifestyle sparkling vampires" crowd (WoD).

All for what? so a few "outside the target demographic" EVE players can 'sit at a virtual bar and stare at a virtual planet while they talk to strangers over teamspeak' and do nothing else?. Screw that noise.

CCP is going in the right direction right now (making separate games to cater to separate types), if they Want do to "World of EVE" one day that's fine, just as long as it's not today.

Not quite what I was getting at, but agreed. I'm the first to admit I'm weird and have no worry doing so.


I'm all for Murdering in Stations.

Though I meant just personally I'd still be happy with a mere social aspect because I spend a lot of time being social in EVE. Any enhancements to that which also add extra immersion are awesome from my perspective. So I'll keep encouraging it because it makes "my" EVE better, and others will argue against it because it doesn't fit with "their" EVE.

Which ironically is why I take so much interest in these threads yet simultaneously try so hard to avoid them these days lol

XD


The mere social aspect isn't untieable from being able to shoot them.
That's the whole issue from my side. It's just not working without it.

Being social = Interaction = Realism demands that we have the ability to harm others,
else the vermin will come and infect this game until it dies. A horrible death.


lol the game.



we'd all lose.

This space ships premise needs to be fleshed out some more. EVE has very few places for this to happen, that I can think of. Stations, and planetside. Under ground might be a third.

What those areas would also require is a story. Rather than attempting to drive the players with a story given by CCP's lore people, a more organic route would be allowing players to drive the story. This is already happening to a small degree in Factional Warfare and orbital strikes. (See: General Tsao's Alliance)

EVE has touted the fact that it gains subscriptions year after year, but here's another fact: I've gained two subscriptions per year over the last five years. So. That moving mass of player age in the video I linked? I'm willing to bet it's the same people taking on more subscriptions, for the most part.

This makes sense. As the player base gets older, we tend to pull in players that are around our age. Friends, and family. As well as older players tend to add more accounts as years go by. I know I have.

Except this is not entirely true. CQ was not the first interation. The very first iteration was in 07 shortly after WW was bought. At fan fest 07, they showed off the trinity engine and the carbon engine. And gave us a sneak peek at the "Ambulation" project. Which btw was AWESOME. (look it up, I'm serious, Ambulation in 07 was bad ass awesome sauce) Sometime after Trinity, when they were doing work on WoD, they scrapped WoD and started over, and they also scraped Ambulation and reworked it. That rework became WiS. So they killed something that looked awesome, and gave us crap. They also said "Avatar play will be strictly optional" yet its not. You first log into avatar play. WiS is crap. The promise though, is not. CCP its time to relook at WiS.

Not really. The engines are different and that makes the assets pointless to export.

WoD + Incarna: Carbon engine (WoD used a different more evolved version than Incarna, which wasn't retrofit into EVE)
DUST 514: Unreal 3 engine
Valkyrie: First Unity, now Unreal 4 engine
Legion: Unreal 4 engine

Different engines mean different art assets. You can't plug Unreal into EVE client and Carbon hasn't been touched in EVE for 3 years. Plus, likely any developers with Carbon expertise were fired when the Atlanta office was closed.

When I say "WiS is dead", it's with reasons.

I've heard the exact opposite from devs, that many of Dust's assets are portable to Legion.

really? they've already done twice that, and no real sign of slowdown. Momentum alone should keep CCP going at least 5 years. And how many mini computing revolutions have they sailed through - I was playing other (new) games when I started playing EVE in 2004. These have died due to being left behind. EVE still strong out front though. I'd invest on 5 years certainly. 8 is more of a punt, but still a good one.