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ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#1 - 2015-01-06 20:57:21 UTC
its an amd a10, with 4gb of memory and onboard graphics. its a really good deal at costco right now. im going to upgrade to a decent gpu and add 4 more gb of memory.

but i was wondering about the performance in its current state. im going to buy it anyway, and will be able to test it on my own. but was just looking for some insight.

i will be playing 2 accounts, graphics level is not a concern. when the computer is capable enough, i will max the settings until then i can play on low everything.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-01-06 21:01:40 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
its an amd a10, with 4gb of memory and onboard graphics. its a really good deal at costco right now. im going to upgrade to a decent gpu and add 4 more gb of memory.

but i was wondering about the performance in its current state. im going to buy it anyway, and will be able to test it on my own. but was just looking for some insight.

i will be playing 2 accounts, graphics level is not a concern. when the computer is capable enough, i will max the settings until then i can play on low everything.


i suggest 8GB of RAM.
what is known from the onboard graphics?

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#3 - 2015-01-06 21:29:14 UTC
I've never expected or experienced much from on board graphics but if you're on a budget I've found online auction sites from reputable sellers a great source of good value GPUs. Being just after Xmas its a great time to pick up a new GPU from people selling off their old one.

About the PC; you're probably right to upgrade to 8GB but one thing to check is that you're getting at the very least a dual core CPU (real cores not HT cores). In my experience single 'real' core processors at the cheap end really struggle. Also read some benchmark reviews from somewhere like TomsHardware about the chipset you're getting.

I've found that EVE runs well on fairly modest hardware in small situations but if you're planning on large fleet operations then you'll want some more beans.

Best to be sure that what you're getting will do the job I'd say before laying down the cash....

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#4 - 2015-01-06 22:27:14 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
I've never expected or experienced much from on board graphics but if you're on a budget I've found online auction sites from reputable sellers a great source of good value GPUs. Being just after Xmas its a great time to pick up a new GPU from people selling off their old one.

About the PC; you're probably right to upgrade to 8GB but one thing to check is that you're getting at the very least a dual core CPU (real cores not HT cores). In my experience single 'real' core processors at the cheap end really struggle. Also read some benchmark reviews from somewhere like TomsHardware about the chipset you're getting.

I've found that EVE runs well on fairly modest hardware in small situations but if you're planning on large fleet operations then you'll want some more beans.

Best to be sure that what you're getting will do the job I'd say before laying down the cash....


And if you can afford it for your desktop get a SSD you will know the difference when you play eve Big smile

**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-01-07 00:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kharaxus
Costco has the best computers in general I think, if you are going to buy a "desktop" from a big box store. I personally like to build them - but its getting more reasonable to buy them.

Sometimes you can even upgrade. Which computer is it? This one? http://www.costco.com/Acer-ATC-120-UC22-Desktop-%7C-AMD-A10.product.100140286.html

Edit: Please say no - just saw the "200w" power supply.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#6 - 2015-01-07 03:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
Kharaxus wrote:
Costco has the best computers in general I think, if you are going to buy a "desktop" from a big box store. I personally like to build them - but its getting more reasonable to buy them.

Sometimes you can even upgrade. Which computer is it? This one? http://www.costco.com/Acer-ATC-120-UC22-Desktop-%7C-AMD-A10.product.100140286.html

Edit: Please say no - just saw the "200w" power supply.


im pretty sure that is the one, i apparently didnt see the 200w ps either, i may need to have an extra look, seems im going to need about 500w or so for what i want to do.

but even for the price, am i still getting a decent/good deal?, even a ps and gpu and a bit of ram, i feel like i could still fall into $500 or so. currently im playing an i3 laptop with 4gb of ram and onboard gfx and its plays. i even pvp. 200w ps is a little scrawny though, i will agree. that has to be a typo right?

edit: laptop has windows 7 also.

edit edit: i only play one client on laptop as well.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#7 - 2015-01-07 04:40:47 UTC
This is more for less

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229616R

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-01-07 08:15:04 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
Kharaxus wrote:
Costco has the best computers in general I think, if you are going to buy a "desktop" from a big box store. I personally like to build them - but its getting more reasonable to buy them.

Sometimes you can even upgrade. Which computer is it? This one? http://www.costco.com/Acer-ATC-120-UC22-Desktop-%7C-AMD-A10.product.100140286.html

Edit: Please say no - just saw the "200w" power supply.


im pretty sure that is the one, i apparently didnt see the 200w ps either, i may need to have an extra look, seems im going to need about 500w or so for what i want to do.

but even for the price, am i still getting a decent/good deal?, even a ps and gpu and a bit of ram, i feel like i could still fall into $500 or so. currently im playing an i3 laptop with 4gb of ram and onboard gfx and its plays. i even pvp. 200w ps is a little scrawny though, i will agree. that has to be a typo right?

edit: laptop has windows 7 also.

edit edit: i only play one client on laptop as well.


Acer doesn't use ATX power supplies, those cases come fitted with a non-standard bay and a weird l-shaped PSU. You are not able to upgrade that PSU, meaning you cannot shove a GPU into it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUpRXRGVHU and build it yourself. There are other recent (less than a month) component guides available, but that is extremely well balanced.
Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2015-01-07 11:56:10 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
ggodhsup wrote:
Kharaxus wrote:
Costco has the best computers in general I think, if you are going to buy a "desktop" from a big box store. I personally like to build them - but its getting more reasonable to buy them.

Sometimes you can even upgrade. Which computer is it? This one? http://www.costco.com/Acer-ATC-120-UC22-Desktop-%7C-AMD-A10.product.100140286.html

Edit: Please say no - just saw the "200w" power supply.


im pretty sure that is the one, i apparently didnt see the 200w ps either, i may need to have an extra look, seems im going to need about 500w or so for what i want to do.

but even for the price, am i still getting a decent/good deal?, even a ps and gpu and a bit of ram, i feel like i could still fall into $500 or so. currently im playing an i3 laptop with 4gb of ram and onboard gfx and its plays. i even pvp. 200w ps is a little scrawny though, i will agree. that has to be a typo right?

edit: laptop has windows 7 also.

edit edit: i only play one client on laptop as well.


Acer doesn't use ATX power supplies, those cases come fitted with a non-standard bay and a weird l-shaped PSU. You are not able to upgrade that PSU, meaning you cannot shove a GPU into it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUpRXRGVHU and build it yourself. There are other recent (less than a month) component guides available, but that is extremely well balanced.



Well. I thought Costco was the best in the business. I guess I am wrong now.

Might want to just consider opening a new thread - "How do I build a bare-bones system I can upgrade when I want, starting at $400".

Then you can buy monitor and etc cheap somewhere until you get the money for better, or 2 monitors, or whatever.
VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2015-01-07 12:19:26 UTC
Build your own.

AMD a10-5800K
FM2A88M Extreme4+ (granted this one is overkill, but it does come with usb3.0 and hdmi - you can go cheaper by forfaiting either usb3.0 or the hdmi)
430 -500W PSU 80% PLUS label
1TB HDD
DVD drive (if necessary)
SSD 128GB
8GB 1600DDR3
Cooler Master Hyper212 Evo
Big enough case with decent airflow (ie:: cooler master N-series)

For little to 446.96 EUR and that is WITH 21% VAT and transport incl. (vat= 77.57EUR + 11.99 EUR transport) and you can probably go cheaper still.

Skip out on the dvd drive, go bit cheaper on the MOBO, don't go below 430-500W .. take a smaller SSD.. and you have it cheaper, put the excess money into the screen/keyboard/mouse.

Save up bit more, add bigger SSD if necessary or add DVD later on ..
You can even add a GPU after you have done the savings.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#11 - 2015-01-07 12:56:27 UTC
VaIefar Drekavac wrote:
Build your own.

etc...



This.

If you can't do this then at least buy one with its own GFX card.

Not today spaghetti.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-01-07 13:14:48 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
its an amd a10, with 4gb of memory and onboard graphics. its a really good deal at costco right now. im going to upgrade to a decent gpu and add 4 more gb of memory.

but i was wondering about the performance in its current state. im going to buy it anyway, and will be able to test it on my own. but was just looking for some insight.

i will be playing 2 accounts, graphics level is not a concern. when the computer is capable enough, i will max the settings until then i can play on low everything.



To answer your question directly you will get a stable and firm 60fps on medium settings with that setup on one client. If you plan to alt-tab or dual monitor for two clients then you should get 8gb memory.

If getting 8gb memory get the fastest kind your motherboard can handle as it is what is being utilized by the APU for graphics. So probably 1600 or 1866 in your case.

I have the previous generation A8 apu with 8gb ram and it is fine for what you want, and you can always throw in a ATI card later.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Esharan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-01-07 15:45:32 UTC
reddit.com/r/buildapc

don't buy, build. It's not hard.
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#14 - 2015-01-07 15:52:56 UTC
I have a rather old i7 with 6GB RAM. Nothing special, the computer is over 4 years old. But with a solid state drive and a Geforce TI 660 I have no problems to run 2 clients on 2 monitors with highest graphics settings and one of them on a 27" monitor (with display set to 2560x1440).
VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-01-07 18:54:53 UTC  |  Edited by: VaIefar Drekavac
You don't even need to be that techy to build your own. Most forums will help you out on the (compatibility of your) parts.

Heck, some will make you a build for the price you ask them to. Putting it all together only requires some organisation, patience and bit of reading comprehensibility.

Plus, regardless of it being cheaper or not - having build your own modular rig (which you can improve or change over time) gives you so much more satisfaction every time you press that button.

I'm not that computersavvy myself when it comes down to software etc, but I've build my own rig a year or two ago and I'll never buy a prefab pc again for anything more than your most basic browsing.

Heck, I've just ordered the before-mentioned parts for a computer for my sister. If I didn't have had to pay 21% VAT.. it would've been a lot cheaper still.

(my own rig consists out of i5-3570K / Z77 extreme4 / GTX670 4gb / 8gb 1600ram/ssd - build: august 2012)




Just go for it :)
By next year you can have saved up money for a fitting GPU


Ps: one thing to remember - never slack on the PSU, always get a decent one with at least 80% bronze label.
Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-01-07 19:52:32 UTC
Other people are right.

I thought Costco was awesome with computers until I saw the desktop with a 200w PSU.

Desktop computers were a thing and are going to become a bigger/better thing in the future while everybody else on cell phones and tablets. People who do intense graphics application, games, video editing, etc. etc.

So yeah. Start from scratch and keep saving your loose change for more, in my opinion.

You can literally break a build down to very small basics, and then multiply the "power" of building a computer from scratch, all the way over to the other end of the spectrum, depending on good simple decisions at the beginning.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#17 - 2015-01-07 20:04:07 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
Kharaxus wrote:
Costco has the best computers in general I think, if you are going to buy a "desktop" from a big box store. I personally like to build them - but its getting more reasonable to buy them.

Sometimes you can even upgrade. Which computer is it? This one? http://www.costco.com/Acer-ATC-120-UC22-Desktop-%7C-AMD-A10.product.100140286.html

Edit: Please say no - just saw the "200w" power supply.


im pretty sure that is the one, i apparently didnt see the 200w ps either, i may need to have an extra look, seems im going to need about 500w or so for what i want to do.

but even for the price, am i still getting a decent/good deal?, even a ps and gpu and a bit of ram, i feel like i could still fall into $500 or so. currently im playing an i3 laptop with 4gb of ram and onboard gfx and its plays. i even pvp. 200w ps is a little scrawny though, i will agree. that has to be a typo right?

edit: laptop has windows 7 also.

edit edit: i only play one client on laptop as well.


Ask one of the sales staff if they have one with a broken shift key that you could buy cheaper.

No sense paying for something you'll never use.

Mr Epeen Cool
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#18 - 2015-01-07 20:07:23 UTC
Serene Repose
#19 - 2015-01-07 20:26:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Thing about ready-made computers is they fudge in three very important places. 1.) Graphics card - they just stick one in that will handle grandma's picture collection. 2.) Power supply - they put one in that'll just manage what they slapped together - meaning; any upgrade always involves a new power supply and the HOPE it fits in the provided case.
3.) Did I say 3? Those two are bad enough.

EDIT: Okay RAM. RAM is so cheap and takes up so little case space it's amazing they always stick you with RAM. (heh heh. PUN.) Anyway. Ready-made computers always have the minimum amount of RAM to barely run what they slapped together to make you a fabulous deal on a computer on which you can A.) Read your email. B.) Look at pictures of the grandkids slopping ice cream all over their shirts. C.) Not much else.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Scion Lex
LEX Investments
#20 - 2015-01-07 20:42:50 UTC
Asus N550JV-CN201H

My life doesn't allow for a desktop really. I play with 5 accounts and HDMI for a second screen. It can do 3 accounts with settings on full. I have had it about a year and I have no complaints so far. Other than windows 8. To my understanding this isn't the best one they make or anything. Just wanted to toss that in.
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