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Nightmare PVE ?
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Alias222
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-12-18 17:29:27 UTC
any1 got a good nightmare pve set up for ratting, complex etc ?
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#2 - 2011-12-18 17:52:49 UTC
battleclinic is your friend. Put some effort.

And the next time you ask for something like this, give a base idea for others to comment on. Like missions or null ratting and type of npcs etc.. Post the fit you have in mind and ask for comments. That will help everyone.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2011-12-18 21:07:49 UTC
Alias222 wrote:
any1 got a good nightmare pve set up for ratting, complex etc ?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=good+nightmare+PvE+fit

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-12-18 21:24:46 UTC
Alias222 wrote:
any1 got a good nightmare pve set up for ratting, complex etc ?


**** Nightmare. Acquire Mealstrom.

I must be kidding, right? I'm not. Check this out:

Nightmare has bonus to tracking and damage. It means Abaddon DPS along some kind of tracking boost. An "all 5" Nightmare with Mega Pulse turrets barely beat an average, everyday normal non-bonused 800mm AC on tracking. By "barely beat" I mean something silly like 0.002 rads. It's that dumb. You have to use Tachyons to make it count... and yet it's still funny.

Nightmare cost a billion ISK for the hull alone. Maelstrom is what? 170 mil on a bad day? Pimp out a Mael a little with a set of faction gyros and a good shield booster and boost amp. Saves ISK, rake in more ISK.

Nightmare is stuck with laser DPS profile yet it have plain standard Tech 1 resist profile. Laser DPS means yo have to shoot at Sanshas and Bloods for best efficiency yet these guys also happen to shoot laser DPS at you... That nugget is stuck exposing itself to it's natural weakness. Now, let me tell you about selectable damage type of projectile turrets... and zero activation cost?

Get a Maelstrom. Use the 800 mil or so you'll save on the hull alone and pimp it out a little where it counts. Maelstrom enjoys a bonus to shield boosting on top of that, Nightmare does not.

It knows what you think.
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#5 - 2011-12-18 21:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kolya Medz
This is how you fit a Nightmare without being a gank magnet.

Lows:
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Mediums:

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost amp II
EM Hardener II
Em Hardener II
Thermal Hardener II
Tracking Computer II w/ script
Cap recharger II

Highs: (no debate here, you want pulses? Get an apoc lol.)

Tachyon Beam Lasor II w/ Imperial Navy Multi L
Tachyon Beam Lasor II w/ Imperial Navy Multi L
Tachyon Beam Lasor II w/ Imperial Navy Multi L
Tachyon Beam Lasor II w/ Imperial Navy Multi L
Auto Targeting system II
small tractor beam I

utility highs are personal preference

Rigs: I use 3 cap control circuits

Can tank ANY em/therm level 4 long enough to gank through it. Does 1070 DPS at 40km + falloff with implants.



Don't listen to the maelstrom guy, nothing comes close to a Nightmare or Palidin for killing blood/sansha/rogue drones
Also, with an autocannon mael, you'll be fighting in falloff most of the time, gimping your dps. Fitting arty on it gives you laughable tracking. Save the mael for angels/serps and other close range rats.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2011-12-18 21:47:55 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
Alias222 wrote:
any1 got a good nightmare pve set up for ratting, complex etc ?


**** Nightmare. Acquire Mealstrom.

I must be kidding, right? I'm not. Check this out:

Nightmare has bonus to tracking and damage. It means Abaddon DPS along some kind of tracking boost. An "all 5" Nightmare with Mega Pulse turrets


Stop. NO!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-12-18 21:50:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Sphit Ker wrote:
Alias222 wrote:
any1 got a good nightmare pve set up for ratting, complex etc ?


**** Nightmare. Acquire Mealstrom.

I must be kidding, right? I'm not. Check this out:

Nightmare has bonus to tracking and damage. It means Abaddon DPS along some kind of tracking boost. An "all 5" Nightmare with Mega Pulse turrets


Stop. NO!


Don't selective quote. Read on...

It knows what you think.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-12-18 22:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Sphit Ker
Still wanking yourself for a Nightmare?

Maelstrom 100mb/s drone bandwidth. 100m3 drone bay
Nightmare only 75 on both.

Go ahead and make your case. Nightmare is not good enough.

Maelstrom has EMP ammo... just dandy against Bloods and Sanshas.
Projective turrets have tracking bonused ammo on top of that.

What's up with the tracking bonus of Nightmare already?

ok. Nightmare will beat Nightmare against these exact two rat type. Then what? You're stuck there.

It knows what you think.
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#9 - 2011-12-18 22:06:45 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
Alias222 wrote:
any1 got a good nightmare pve set up for ratting, complex etc ?


**** Nightmare. Acquire Mealstrom.

I must be kidding, right? I'm not. Check this out:

Nightmare has bonus to tracking and damage. It means Abaddon DPS along some kind of tracking boost. An "all 5" Nightmare with Mega Pulse turrets barely beat an average, everyday normal non-bonused 800mm AC on tracking. By "barely beat" I mean something silly like 0.002 rads. It's that dumb. You have to use Tachyons to make it count... and yet it's still funny.

Nightmare cost a billion ISK for the hull alone. Maelstrom is what? 170 mil on a bad day? Pimp out a Mael a little with a set of faction gyros and a good shield booster and boost amp. Saves ISK, rake in more ISK.

Nightmare is stuck with laser DPS profile yet it have plain standard Tech 1 resist profile. Laser DPS means yo have to shoot at Sanshas and Bloods for best efficiency yet these guys also happen to shoot laser DPS at you... That nugget is stuck exposing itself to it's natural weakness. Now, let me tell you about selectable damage type of projectile turrets... and zero activation cost?

Get a Maelstrom. Use the 800 mil or so you'll save on the hull alone and pimp it out a little where it counts. Maelstrom enjoys a bonus to shield boosting on top of that, Nightmare does not.




Megapulse for pve? Lol!!! Amarr BSs are big and slow. I hope you have a lot if isk for Scorch L. (Exception is Apoc with prop mod.) The nightmare was built for tachs, just look at the bonuses.

For PVE, Auto cannons are only decent against close range rats like angels/serps/mercs, everything else will be on the edge of your falloff, severely gimping your dps. Also, autos eat ammo REALLY fast, further reducing isk per hour. My nightmare goes weeks with the same navy crystals.

Yes nightmare is stuck with EM/Therm damage, just like the mael is stuck fighting in falloff with gimped dps.

PVE is about isk per hour. Isk per hour is about gank, not tank. When your doing 1000+ reliable dps @40km + another 40 falloff, rats usually die before they're even in range to shoot you. So a shield tank isn't really an issue.

If you are doing PVE in amarr space, get a nightmare or Paladin. Save the mael for angel cartel.


Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#10 - 2011-12-18 22:13:50 UTC
Sphit Ker wrote:
Still wanking yourself for a Nightmare?

Maelstrom 100mb/s drone bandwidth. 100m3 drone bay
Nightmare only 75 on both.

Go ahead and make your case. Nightmare is not good enough.

Maelstrom has EMP ammo... just dandy against Bloods and Sanshas.
Projective turrets have tracking bonused ammo on top of that.

What's up with the tracking bonus of Nightmare already?

ok. Nightmare will beat Nightmare against these exact two rat type. Then what? You're stuck there.



What's your optimal range on that maelstrom?
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-12-18 23:02:52 UTC
Kolya Medz wrote:
[quote=Sphit Ker](stuff)/quote]


What's your optimal range on that maelstrom?



Both ships are similar in agility and speed... Nightmare will tend to win out when outside standard tackling ranges. Otherwise, Maelstrom is going to mop the floor all the while not getting stuck with laser DPS and enjoying a boost to tanking and that's what it gets down to.

PLEX can be hard to tank. You'll want a tank proper... Maels will win at this game.

It knows what you think.
Disdaine
#12 - 2011-12-18 23:22:11 UTC
Get the nightmare, or get a mach, you'll have fun with either.

My friend flies a nightmare, he'd take it everytime over a paladin or tengu.

I fly a mach. 1038 turret dps at 77km falloff using normal ammo. Wouldn't consider jumping back in a Mael as I don't like artillery and the Mael receives no falloff bonus.
Alias222
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-12-19 00:27:05 UTC
is the nightmare any good for guristas rats ?, say null sec sanctums, plexs or is it no good ?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2011-12-19 00:30:50 UTC
Alias222 wrote:
is the nightmare any good for guristas rats ?


No.
Varcaus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-12-19 01:07:07 UTC
Alias222 wrote:
is the nightmare any good for guristas rats ?, say null sec sanctums, plexs or is it no good ?

Get a tengu
Kulmid
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-12-19 02:20:30 UTC
It seems most of these people have been abuse by a nightmare Shocked
Jyla Kenij
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-12-19 02:28:26 UTC
Varcaus wrote:

Get a tengu


This. Turrets are for suckers.
egola
NSFW federation
#18 - 2011-12-19 02:42:03 UTC
can't believe i'm the first one to suggest this: ignore everyone else and get a VINDI
Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#19 - 2011-12-19 03:07:19 UTC
The best battleships for each rat type:

Blood/Sansha/RogueDrones: Nightmare/Pali
Guristas: CNR/Tengu
Angels: Machariel/vargur
Serps: Vindi/domi/kronos/Golem (really a matter of preference)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2011-12-19 04:34:19 UTC
[Perfect PvE Nightmare - Rhea]

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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