Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While Coalitions and Alliances have plenty of group content when they are marauding and pillaging, but during those needed breaks between wars and skirmishes, they have to "rat" or some such to recover from losses or expand our personal fleet selections. This period is often marked by pilots going insane from monotonous hours of killing red +'s. This insanity can be partially helped by mundane conversation that slowly grows into the same topics covered over and over.


The solution to this mental illness causing issue is squad based sites, needing 5-7 pilots of avg skill to complete, or maybe even some larger. These sites would work best if linked to outposts (yes player made outposts). This could even be linked to the new Sov mechanics that are being thought over. The idea stems from incursions and how they can be great fun but irregular at best.

They would have a payout based on null equivalent sites (pilots needed * payout of a Haven) and then some kind of LP (possibly a Sov style currency that fits in with local type moduals or ship skins). The reward needs to be such that the incentives are worth the time and effort of forming squads and not sub-par to running solo.

The fact that this can be used as an index for Sov and even up gradable via Sov levels would make this a very functional way to instate this feature, increase small gang level PvE, and provide a much needed option in null where there is very little team PvE to enjoy.

The added benefit of this is it will also offer low skilled members to join in with higher skilled players, learn about squad play, and make much needed ISK so they can then participate more in the Sov warfare. This would make null a more friendly place for the new players who want to join Sov warfare but can't risk the losses inherent to the lifestyle.

Some key thoughts on these types of sites:

• gated
• limited ship types
• sites that need specialist ships (hacking, *jamming*, logi, stealth, or speed)
• a secondary payout system revolving around your local area
• sites are spawned "mission" style so that you have to move around your local area
• sites are linked to Sov
• site types can be chosen, not the mission exactly, but the type
• level of mission dictates number of pilots needed, possibly 5, 10 and 20 pilot missions

Thoughts on payouts:

• payout options are items that have value
• ship skins, local moduals or even better would be non-local moduals, like an option for armor in shield areas and vice vera
• items like skillbooks and BPCs (not BPOs)
• and most importantly the secondary payout system is redeemed locally

Yes some of these ideas are possibly a bit of a stretch, but hey never hurts to try!

so me and my alts just run one site at a time rather than 5........


if you want more content between wars red some of your blues for the luz and have at it

Buuut... If I do those sites over and over again, wouldn't it be the same monotonous grind as before? even more boring since NPC's are all super predivtasble?

You get the basics of the idea, as for the payouts and such, I only put out options which might get attention. Having the sights have decent drops would negate the need for LP based mods and such, but this also increases issues as for who gets them. Where as if you can save and buy them, with a cost based on a slightly lesser rate than the avg drop rate (to cover randomness and the fact you can select what you want). So either idea is valid, just the buying option removes conflicts.

That is exactly what I was meaning by needing special ships, to counter reps or hack ECM towers or a number of things that could make for engaging game play, and also fill the needed ISKies we want.

Actually it was incursions that fostered this idea. The level of challenge, the need for more than 1 ship type and need for team work. To that you include a Sov mechanic, some interesting secondary payouts and on demand access through mission/agent system and you end up with something that enhances the game, builds more comradery and allows for something more than the isolationist ratting that goes on now. Honestly with some decent skills anyone in null can rat solo, and do so in a mostly AFK way. How is it fun to turn circles for hours looking at the same 5-6 sites. With this you have more options, better challenge and some actual reason to be social outside of PvP fleets and incursion fleets.

Read this question last night, and again today..... I still don't understand it. Care to elaborate?

Incursions are what spawned the idea, yes. The thought here is that you have something like incursions, in difficulty and in the need for more than a single pilot. The major differences are not having to travel or wait for them to spawn close. Also you don't get near the same reward levels, in ISK, LP or BPCs.

The reason for having this is to allow for more team game play in the PvE arena. This would offer a legit way to for small gangs and to hopefully fight rats that offer a much higher challenge then what we see today.

My thoughts exactly. Maybe mess with how incursions work in null. they dont shut down systems but they are a constant threat in every 0.0 constellation, always available for a willing group.

Guristas and Serpentis 10/10's are easy to solo. Some of the Blood Raider complexes are somewhat challenging.