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Dealing with loss.

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Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-01-06 09:57:06 UTC
Hey guys just wondering how you guys deal with big losses?

I have been having a good time with exploration as a new player in eve. Today I was doing my usual wormhole shenanigans and I scanned a relic site with a 1b faction blueprint.

You can tell by the title that I failed. It is REALLY discouraging as this was the first one I had failed the entire day.

I kind of wish I had just never found it haha.

Was it just bad luck?

I am currently using the what I think is the best t1 frigrate rig for relic sites (2x small emission scope scanner + imicus).

Its SO disheartening because the next skill level jumps that would have mad a difference in this situation are so far away. Archeology 5 is a 10day+ train, the skills require to fly a covop is 14day+ train. Astero is an option, but it just isn't even close to my budget right now.

Thanks for reading, I really appreciate it.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#2 - 2015-01-06 10:03:14 UTC
So what you're saying is that you failed the site and weren't able to get a 1 bil ISK faction blueprint, or that you had the blueprint in your hold and you were blown up and you lost it?

Firstly, you're not always going to succeed when your skills are relatively low, etc.

If you want to be successful as an explorer then you're going to need to invest the time in getting your skills up there, including those that will assist you in fitting, etc.

Here is a guide which you may find helpful.

Don't get discouraged. Just invest into those things that will help you become better and more successful. It will take some time.
Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-01-06 10:08:30 UTC
Yea I failed the site.

Thanks for linking that, I have extensively went through that page before, but maybe I will give it a second go.

I am trying to stay positive haha, the long skill trains + my recent loss is making it hard though.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2015-01-06 10:12:11 UTC
don't cargo scan the site so that way you will never know if you lost anything :p

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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#5 - 2015-01-06 10:13:24 UTC
You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing Blink.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-01-06 10:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Well. That's why you set yourself goals....

To train up so that the loss ain't happening anymore. (or later, when you get blown to pieces by someone with the blueprint in your cargohold).


That's IMO the beauty of EVE, and the reason I still play, losses are "real".
If they weren't, then surviving something or achieving something hard, wouldn't matter.
Now, because it matters, it makes it so much better to achieve a goal or do something that you thought wouldn't be possible.



As for how to deal with losses?

It's a freaking space game, all it is are some freaking pixels on your screen and 0s and 1s in a code....
Shrug it off and try again.

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Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-01-06 10:14:26 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
don't cargo scan the site so that way you will never know if you lost anything :p


Haha that is what I used to do but cargo scanning is so efficient.

Maybe I will go back to do that anyways. No time save is worth feeling like crap What?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-01-06 10:16:15 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing Blink.


THIS...so much this.

IIRC today I finally will finish a 40+ day skill...more or less...I think...

Not that it matters anymore with "unlimited" queues...

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Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-01-06 10:21:24 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing Blink.


Yea I know, its just as a new player who wants to do everything, and has little to work with, the training times seem large.

I thought I had sufficient enough skills for the kind of exploring I wanted to do, but this loss makes me reconsider. But then if I spend so much more time on exploration I won't be able to reach my pvp goal quicker, etc. A little overwhelming.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2015-01-06 10:37:25 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing Blink.


luckily at that point you have enough other skills you can have a bit of fun and when it does finish you say "ooh look at this new shiny thing I can play with." Sure doing Cruiser V, or BS V for the first time can be long slow and painful, but after that its mostly happy times.

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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#11 - 2015-01-06 10:38:55 UTC
Yeah, it may be enticing to "try all the things" but try to focus on one area, then move onto another, etc.

You only lose the invested time in skills if a direction doesn't appeal to you after all. Once you have a skill you always have it and it doesn't get in the way of gaining any other skils.

Besides, you really didn't lose anything. You just missed being able to get something.

Just wait until you lose that 100 mil Astero with T2 fittings (making it more like 150 mil plus) and the loot (probably worth millions or more) in your cargohold when you get blown up by something (a Sleeper perhaps, or other NPCs, or site effects) or someone.

And if you can't afford such a loss then you're not ready to take the risk.

"Never undock in anything you can't afford to lose."
Leon Beach
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-01-06 10:42:21 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
Yeah, it may be enticing to "try all the things" but try to focus on one area, then move onto another, etc.

You only lose the invested time in skills if a direction doesn't appeal to you after all. Once you have a skill you always have it and it doesn't get in the way of gaining any other skils.

Besides, you really didn't lose anything. You just missed being able to get something.

Just wait until you lose that 100 mil Astero with T2 fittings (making it more like 150 mil plus) and the loot (probably worth millions or more) in your cargohold when you get blown up by something (a Sleeper perhaps, or other NPCs, or site effects) or someone.

And if you can't afford such a loss then you're not ready to take the risk.

"Never undock in anything you can't afford to lose."


I never leave the station with something I can't afford to lose.

I feel like by missing the blueprint I lost something I would never ever risk(weird way to look at it), thus it makes me feel very negative.
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#13 - 2015-01-06 10:45:05 UTC
I've run combat sites and got most of the way in clearing it for the final room and possible very juicy loot drops only to have someone blitz past me and make the loot score.

It's Eve.

Ertur Adestur
Hek Xplo Ltd
#14 - 2015-01-06 10:45:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ertur Adestur
Also, while your skills improve, do NOT stop getting out there and doing stuff. The right skills at the right level is important, but your experience as a player is invaluable. Stuff is lost, opportunities slip, but you keep learning.

Edit to add: A while ago, I lost a Loki. To NPCs. In hisec. That, Sir, is loss. Oops
I shouted at the screen, went for a cup of coffee. And then I bought a new one. One gets used to it. Blink
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-01-06 11:14:49 UTC
Ertur Adestur wrote:
Also, while your skills improve, do NOT stop getting out there and doing stuff. The right skills at the right level is important, but your experience as a player is invaluable. Stuff is lost, opportunities slip, but you keep learning.

Edit to add: A while ago, I lost a Loki. To NPCs. In hisec. That, Sir, is loss. Oops
I shouted at the screen, went for a cup of coffee. And then I bought a new one. One gets used to it. Blink


I did the exact opposite.

Went for a coffee and a smoke, forgetting my mission also had neuts in it.

Came back to 2 pods in locations my Tengu and Legion should have beenRoll...

That almost throw my coffee over the PC.

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Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2015-01-06 12:24:47 UTC
OP.

You are making some serious progress. Your killboard is a perfect example of how to do that.

You saw a huge jump in profit - and failed. Welcome to Eve. Learn from it and move on - like you have already.

It's people like you that help stabilize Eve.

Meanwhile I tend to bounce around a lot here and there........ I have never seen a 1 Billion anything in a site - but now I am curious to see if I can find it.

Thank you OP for the thread. I appreciate it. o/
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#17 - 2015-01-06 13:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
Leon Beach wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
You will find that one day a 10 or 14 day skill train is nothing Blink.


Yea I know, its just as a new player who wants to do everything, and has little to work with, the training times seem large.

I thought I had sufficient enough skills for the kind of exploring I wanted to do, but this loss makes me reconsider. But then if I spend so much more time on exploration I won't be able to reach my pvp goal quicker, etc. A little overwhelming.



If you are a solo player like I am 80% of the time training frigate to V, Cloaking to IV, CPU management to IV, and Archaeology to V is the way to go. You can make a lot of ISK quickly running relic sites in null and wormhole space in a covert ops frigate. This will fund your PVP habit. Fit warp stabs to your covops frigate. Once you start making some ISK you can buy Asteros and be able to kill any covert ops frigates who are competing with you for relic sites in null and only have to run from Tengus.

Good luck.

P.S. If you go with the Astero train those drone skills. Hobgoblin IIs and drone damage amps are your friends.
Jake Peters
ICT World Bank
#18 - 2015-01-06 13:02:43 UTC
I bought a Gila that I could barely afford and really couldn't afford to lose and I thought I kitted it out well and then I went into a level 4 mission and got blown to pieces. I was so annoyed with the game and more with myself if honest and I nearly ragequit the game.

I didn't deal with that loss well, but the game pulled me back in and I have since trained up more and now flying a Dominix and handling level 4 missions well and I think the one thing you have to really learn with this game is patience and don't try to run before you can walk. Smile
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-01-06 15:34:59 UTC
EVE is a nasty game, OP.


One day you snag a 1 bil blueprint, the next day (or week) you lose it.

One day you get an epic fight, the next day (or week) you just blow up to gatecamps or roam for hours finding nothing.

One day you make billions on the market, the next day (or week) you lose billions, or maybe just can't find decent deals and get bored.


The more you play, the more you'll find that there's no limit to highs... and lows. Blink And no way to predict them, too!


That's why we're all helpless addicts. Welcome to the EVE-a-holic club!

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-01-06 15:37:30 UTC
You didn't lose anything - you gained the knowledge of where and how to find 1b ISK blueprints. Big smile

Lets say you find four of them in the new few weeks and only manage to hack one. Would the time spent not be well worth it?

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