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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-01-05 09:54:41 UTC
Thor Mena wrote:
wow bunch of assholes on eve........... if you dont want to help go somewhere else...


We love to help. But give us reason to help you...


From your OP, it clearly shows you haven't done the tutorials yet, nor that you did some sort of research on your own and ask dedicated questions.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2015-01-05 10:00:01 UTC
Thor Mena wrote:
tried mining it sucked.
tried hauling might as well just bang my head against the bulkhead.
did some combat missions loved it.
watching stuff go poof was the best feeling in the world


Here, that's already a small improvement.


For combat missions (the PVE kind), just pick a ship / setup you like and run missions for any agent you like.

"ship progression" for missions:

Level 1 - Frigates / Destroyers
Level 2 - Destroyers / Cruisers
Level 3 - Cruisers / Battlecruisers
Level 4 - BC / Battleship OR T3 cruiser


Another goal you could work towards it doing Incursions. These are fleet-sized PvE encounters but do require T2 cruisers or a proper skilled (pirate) battleship.




What is even better then seeing NPCs die...see other players die.

For that, just have a look at:

* RvB
* Faction Warfare
* NPSI fleets (public fleets that will take on nearly everybody).

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Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Thor Mena
MG Holding.
#23 - 2015-01-05 10:27:13 UTC
is eve uni worth looking at i see alot of their vids on eve
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2015-01-05 10:36:13 UTC
Thor Mena wrote:
is eve uni worth looking at i see alot of their vids on eve

Yes but everyone and their cat looks to get into eve uni and last I heard they were stretched,
try taking to them, they have a public channel you can join and ask things in.

Red v blue is also worth mentioning (and actually has been )
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2015-01-05 11:05:59 UTC
Thor Mena wrote:
is eve uni worth looking at i see alot of their vids on eve



Yeah and Nah.

It really depends, I've heard people who loved E-Uni and it really helped them. Others hated it, their rules and how many hoops they had to jump through to even get through the recruitment part.

So, it's 2 sides to the medallion, as with everything.

And as with general in relation to should I join corp "x". We really can't tell, as the fit between you and a corp is something personal.

Some corp might works for you but it won't for me.
Some corp will be the perfect fit for me but you will hate it.

This is also the case for E-Uni, but as a teaching institute, they are great. The amount of knowledge you can gather from E-Uni is huge.

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#26 - 2015-01-05 11:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Celine Sophia Maricadie
Re Eve Uni;

Ralph - not sure what you mean by "stretched"?

Eve Uni is definitely a good group to look at getting into. Yes, their recruitment process is somewhat intimidating, especially for newer players, but it's more of a case of their popularity over the number of recruiters they have active. They have 24 recruiters listed of which some are management-level types, but realistically perhaps 15 of them are fairly active in the job.

They have to go through a few checks, similar to many other larger player corps, so all the work that needs to be done for that, and then you get an interview... well, it can take a few days on average. Historically, they've had backlogs running into several weeks, so they've improved on that overall.

They do have some rules, but they really aren't that bad. Mainly just about how to act with each other, rules of engagement, and some minor internal stuff that may seem silly or archaic to outsiders. They really have shed a lot of the old, archaic rules.

The whole point of Eve Uni is that you join for a time, learn some stuff, make some contacts, and then move on, although it looks like a lot do stay around. It's a huge advantage being able to count on a couple of hundred active players at any given time. And they cover a lot of different areas of the game.

Eve Uni does suffer from an overly bureaucratic set-up and their directors are laughably absent from the game a lot, but the managers are a good bunch. For some, their style of things and their notorious slowness at certain things is a real turn-off, and for others their structure and (very light) regimentation is very desirable.

Of course you can learn most of what they offer without being in their corp/alliance as all their classes are public and they do allow outsiders to join them on fleets and PvE stuff. The one thing you'd really miss-out on is really getting the contacts and camaraderie.


Re RvB;

good bunch of pilots, two eternally at-war alliances/corps with each other so you can get your fill of PvP and blow up a lot, and have fun doing it. I've seen them tangle with Eve Uni in a few wars and these guys bring the fights, which everyone loves.

I don't really know too much else about them such as rules and stuff, but they do have some, that much I know.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2015-01-05 12:39:02 UTC
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
but it's more of a case of their popularity over the number of recruiters they have active.

That's exactly what I meant.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#28 - 2015-01-05 19:59:30 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Celine Sophia Maricadie wrote:
but it's more of a case of their popularity over the number of recruiters they have active.

That's exactly what I meant.

Well there are other organizations.

The requirement of having a pulse to join Brave Newbies Inc. was removed some time ago, though other BRAVE alliance corps may have stricter recruitment policies.

Red Republic and Blue Federation are similar.

All of these (BNI, RvB) are more "learn by exploding" than by formal structured lessons of EVE-Uni.

EVE-Uni is worth the time and effort of joining, if you are the type of pilot that needs or prefers this style of education / gameplay.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2015-01-05 20:07:56 UTC
help pls, i want to fly spaceships


Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-01-05 20:20:24 UTC
Thor Mena wrote:
is eve uni worth looking at i see alot of their vids on eve


Eve Uni sucks. I applied and they rejected my application. So they suck.

In my opinion you should join FW and learn the mechanics. Plenty of people to taunt and pick fights with there. And you get a very decent reward for your time there. But you gotta learn the mechanics.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-01-05 20:27:00 UTC
MIT sucks because they rejected my application
Kharaxus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2015-01-05 20:29:18 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
MIT sucks because they rejected my application


Go to Harvard instead.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2015-01-06 00:05:35 UTC
Kharaxus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
MIT sucks because they rejected my application


Go to Harvard instead.



Ceptin' ones a Science/Engineering/Technology School and the other is an Ivy league Business/law School.

More to the point, I never heard of EVE Uni rejecting applications before, they seem pretty much open to all new players.
Marius Labo
Licence To Kill
Mercenary Coalition
#34 - 2015-01-06 00:39:59 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

More to the point, I never heard of EVE Uni rejecting applications before, they seem pretty much open to all new players.


It does happen on occasion, usually it's the spais and alts, or sometimes someone just isn't compatible. It's extremely rare for a new player to get rejected, and more often than not, it may be technical issue (standings with either of our jump clone corps, for example) and often those can be corrected.

In my time involved with Uni recruitment (Jan 2011 through Aug 2014) both as a recruiter and eventual director, our requirements have evolved to where we're very open and accepting even of more experienced players.

One thing I did notice is that for those who applied and did have something missing from their application it was often that they would just "give up" on the process, for example, not providing the correct API mask we need (we do provide all the details and a link to get it set up properly), and we'd just never hear from them again. And as Celine and Ralph have mentioned, just due to how popular we are and limited number of recruiting staff (they do volunteer their game-time to do the job) the process can seem long and frustrating to some. It has gotten a lot better over the years.

In short, it is rather difficult to get rejected by E-UNI, hehe.

To the more general point, there are lots of great corps out there to assist new players so this shouldn't be about E-UNI alone. We welcome all to our public help channel "E-UNI" in game (no outside recruitment there please) and anyone can attend our classes and join us on our Mumble voice comms. You don't have to be a member for a lot of our services, although as mentioned above, registration is required to access the private Mumble server (classes occur on our public Mumble server).

RvB is a really good bunch and you can't go wrong with them for PvP stuff.

Brave is also very popular and very active. They require a full API check and I don't know their process beyond that. They're one of the biggest organizations out there.

There are several active Factional Warfare groups, too, if you're interested in both PvP and the FW rewards.
Thor Mena
MG Holding.
#35 - 2015-01-06 07:26:21 UTC
why do peoople require a full api?

thats personal info

im not giving a full api
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#36 - 2015-01-06 07:45:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Celine Sophia Maricadie
An API key is simply benign pilot and/or corp information. There is no personal information involved at all. No one can access your account, or your in-game assets. They can only read what the API mask will provide them.

Most larger and corps worth being part of will ask for some form of API, whether it's a full API or select information.

They use this to check information for their own security. Any corp accepting pilots in that don't perform background checks including an API check of some form are just asking for trouble, and those corps probably aren't worth being in.

This is from the page where you create API keys:

Quote:
What is an API key? What do I use it for?

The API key is a private code that identifies your account and allows third party programs and web sites to access information about your characters and corporations. Using this data, such utilities can improve your EVE experience by providing useful functionality such as wallet exports, skill training notifications, and other tools.

Is this safe? Can someone steal my account?

It is safe to provide your API key to applications and web sites as long as you are prepared to allow the application or web site to see your character and corporation information. You can specify which information is accessible for each customizable API key.

Sharing an API key does NOT give people access to your account while sharing your account password would. Therein lies the whole purpose of API keys. An API key only allows the recipient to view your character and corporation data but gives them NO control over it. They are NOT able to log in to the game or post on the forums with the API information. No part of the API key information is in any way generated from your account password - there is no way to calculate your password using this information.

This is the only safe way to give programs and web sites access to your data. Do not give out your account username or password to any person, program, or web site. Please keep in mind that doing so is a violation of the EULA and can lead to account termination.

I still don't like it.

If you are not certain that the web site or program asking for your API key is safe, please do not give it to them! You are responsible for any usage of the information obtained by using your API keys.

I gave someone my API key and now I want them to stop using it!

If you believe that someone is misusing your API key, you can delete it from the list above or simply change the Verification Code. Please note that all programs and web sites that are using your old API key information will no longer be able to access your data unless you provide them with the updated info or a new API key.

You can view API activity on your account by using the API Access Log. If you believe someone is misusing one of your API keys, please change the Verification Code or delete the API key from the list above.


Several of the very useful third party tools such as EVEMon, PyFa, Eve Fitting Tool, and such use API keys to help you get the most out of those very useful tools.

Of course you don't have to provide any corp recruiter/system any API key at all. You just won't get into any of them that ask for the information.
Thor Mena
MG Holding.
#37 - 2015-01-06 08:14:38 UTC
to me my toon stuff is personal info..

Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#38 - 2015-01-06 08:22:33 UTC
Thor Mena wrote:
to me my toon stuff is personal info..


Okay, cool deal. Not trying to convince you that you "have to."

Thor Mena
MG Holding.
#39 - 2015-01-06 08:26:45 UTC
so i dunno most places want a full api key...
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#40 - 2015-01-06 08:37:43 UTC
Thor Mena wrote:
so i dunno most places want a full api key...

They do. So I guess you'll just have to count all those off your "probable/possible" list of corps to try for.
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