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Announcement From Scott Bacon

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Makhpella
Bad Taste.
#61 - 2015-01-04 11:01:03 UTC
Scott Bacon wrote:
Being away for the holidays, I did not get a chance to comment on the recent Announcement From Gorila thread before it was locked. I am therefore making this post, as I feel my viewpoint is important..

Scott Bacon wrote:
I am therefore making this post, as I feel my viewpoint is important..

Scott Bacon wrote:
I feel my viewpoint is important..


Then I stopped reading. It is like echo in my head.

Can you please make audio record of your speech and then someone else remix it?
Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#62 - 2015-01-04 11:36:01 UTC
Wallace Trucker wrote:
What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL.

Interesting. Back in GTA Vice City, I used to attack the police station in Little Havana with a rocket launcher, steal some cars from the villas in Starfish Island and then detonate 'em all by using my M134 Minigun at the entrance of Malibu Club with some 80s songs playing in the background, followed by hours long hilarious and ruthless Deathmatch/Team Deathmatch PvP on its multiplayer mode.

I don't think I will do those things in RL anytime soon...Roll

Not sure what you're trying to say either… A video-game is there to let people have fun, or relax after a long day at work, not to 'reflect on who we are in RL'. What??


Black Pedro wrote:
players who overload a freighter and send it AFK through a ganker hotspot because they would rather be watching television on another screen.

those full-time AFK whiners who Autopilot through 0.5 systems… their stupidity is extreme. I am not even sure why they bother logging in.

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

Anti-Ganking Fun: www.gankerjamming.com

Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#63 - 2015-01-04 13:34:31 UTC
I am surprised you aren't seeing more toxicity from ag. I logged my alt into ag last night. Literally the first comment after I joined was a homophobic slur directed at James 315. Not one person in chat called him on it. By contrast, over a year in the Minerbumping channel and I have not seen any racist or homophobic comments, and if someone did I know lots of people who would call it out.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#64 - 2015-01-04 14:02:29 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
By contrast, over a year in the Minerbumping channel and I have not seen any racist or homophobic comments, and if someone did I know lots of people who would call it out.


That's because we're all "sociopaths" in the New Order. :P

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Nomis Alexander
Haldskel Corporation
#65 - 2015-01-04 14:24:09 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

...That you don't like solo players doesn't make them cease to exist or make their playstyle invalid....

Veers Belvar wrote:

...I guess highsec miners and mission runners who spend all of their time engaging with npcs and not other capsuleer ships are all trolls now?...

Veers Belvar wrote:

...That you disparage them doesn't make them not exist...


That's an impressive number of straw men all raised on one page.
Pi Show
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2015-01-04 15:38:35 UTC
Maybe the issue is a lot simpler.
Perhaps the AG crowd simply want to hear that CODE and affiliates are bad people.

Might as well give them that assurance as it would only reinforce the RP.
Lady Areola Fappington
#67 - 2015-01-04 16:55:34 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
I am surprised you aren't seeing more toxicity from ag. I logged my alt into ag last night. Literally the first comment after I joined was a homophobic slur directed at James 315. Not one person in chat called him on it. By contrast, over a year in the Minerbumping channel and I have not seen any racist or homophobic comments, and if someone did I know lots of people who would call it out.



I've spent time in both AG and minerbumping. I honestly couldn't tolerate the AG channel. I'm one of those LGBT tyle people, and seeing the constant homophobic/transphobic slurs just...ugh. Friends of mine have died because of those words.

Minerbumping, I think the one time I saw someone busting out homophobic comments, it got shut down quite promptly by the channel moderators. No excuses, no nothing. People who couldn't keep it classy were shown the door, regardless of how great a ganker they were.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#68 - 2015-01-04 19:24:23 UTC
That's because we hate everyone equally.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#69 - 2015-01-04 19:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I've spent time in both AG and minerbumping. I honestly couldn't tolerate the AG channel. I'm one of those LGBT tyle people, and seeing the constant homophobic/transphobic slurs just...ugh. Friends of mine have died because of those words.

You should see Emolgranlan local, a mining hotspot in the Heimatar region. It's worse than anything I've seen posted on minerbumping from AG. Sometimes I'll return to find a dozen-message-strong conversation between the locals about my sexual orientation. My crime? Logging in.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2015-01-05 02:38:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Wallace Trucker wrote:
What you do in game reflects on who you are in RL.


Holy crap.

I can fly a SPACESHIP?!?! Where the **** is it??!?

Also I must make a note to find out where the clones of myself are kept, so when I am destroyed, Ill know how to get home when I wake up. I should also cancel my life insurance, seeing as how I am an immortal.

This is the best news EVER!

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#71 - 2015-01-05 15:09:05 UTC
I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Kash
#72 - 2015-01-05 21:54:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kash
Scott Bacon
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
#73 - 2015-01-05 23:19:32 UTC
Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either:

a) Wrong
b) Engaging in defamation

I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet.
Erys
FrogSwarm
#74 - 2015-01-06 00:25:06 UTC
Scott Bacon wrote:
Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either:

a) Wrong
b) Engaging in defamation

I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet.



O_o

Seriously??

Well I guess there is no worse blind person than the one who does not want to see.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#75 - 2015-01-06 00:59:51 UTC
Scott Bacon wrote:
Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either:

a) Wrong
b) Engaging in defamation

I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet.
Just quoting this for posterity.

*Golf clap* Well played Sir. Bravo.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2015-01-06 01:33:03 UTC
All i have to say, is, I dont get it.

I think a mentally healthy person would not scream and punch their computer screen after losing a ship. Its understandable to get emotionally upset after something like that happens, but the correct response afterwards should be "Wow, In hindsight, now that ive calmed down a bit, i was clearly over-reacting. I shouldnt have done that, and I suppose the minerbumping post is the price im gonna pay for over-reacting like this".

I mean, if someone is pissing you off with verbal taunts, that doesnt give you the right to punch them in the face. And if they charge you with physical assault, the "He was calling me bad names" defense isnt gonna fly.

Your actions have consequences. Acting like an idiot, over-reacting, is going to have consequences. Sometimes its a wardec after smack talking in local. Sometimes its a post on a blog after sending death threats. You need to take responsibility for your actions. If you act like an idiot, youre gonna get called out as an idiot.

And yes, "Tears" are frequently funny, which is why they are so enjoyable. You might say this is wrong, but this is so prevalent in our culture, that it is the norm, and acceptable. In The Simpsons for example, Homer is an idiot and is frequently subjected to painful situations, and thats what makes it so funny. Americas Funniest Home Videos, frequently have people being idiots and getting into painful situations, and its funny. /b/ on the website 4chan, frequently makes fun of tons of idiots who are serious, and quite a bit of it is hilarious. Considering these things, considering how you could endure real, actual, physical pain, or actual, emotional loss over real, actual things that exist in reality, losing a pixelated ship in a video game should be put on the top of the list for "Things people shouldnt give a **** about".
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#77 - 2015-01-06 02:38:15 UTC
Scott Bacon wrote:
I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet.
Hmm, this reminds me a bit of James 315 euphemising ganking, only without the wit, humour, insight, wisdom or basic factual correctness.

Though in fairness, it made me laugh almost as much.

Witty Image - Stream

Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#78 - 2015-01-07 02:33:02 UTC
Scott Bacon wrote:
Anyone claiming the AG channel is full of hate, homophobia, etc is either:

a) Wrong
b) Engaging in defamation

I've been in the AG channel pretty much since I started playing. Only on very rare occasions does anyone step out of line and say something that is inappropriate, and if moderators are online, it is quickly addressed. It's one of the cleanest chat channels in all the Internet.




If it has improved, I might put spais back in there, I have five alts that are not well known and four of them have names that wouldn't stand out (I also have one alt that isn't banned from the channel but is fairly well known to be my alt). But by god it was toxic when I was in there last.

More common than the use of real-life slurs was the banning of people from the channel for providing legitimate good advice to avoid ganking. Suggesting to people that, if they want to haul and avoid being ganked themselves, they actively go out of their way to bring their rival haulers to the attention of known gankers, then slip through the danger systems while the gankers are GCC, was not tolerated despite being probably the best advice you could give.

I can understand not tolerating people actively selling New Order permits in your channel, but buying a permit is a +EV decision if you are a freighter pilot and believe that even ONE New Order ganker would honor it. Channel banning people for making the +EV decision (and thus having a permit in their bio) is just silly. There is no shame in acquiescing to the smaller demands of your rivals in a game.



Also Scott. I'd never read your blog. Thank you for a laugh - it made my day at work.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Cato XIII
The Carnifex Corp
#79 - 2015-01-07 02:45:38 UTC
I got kicked from the AG channel. Then they blocked my entire space guild and prevented any of us from participating in there.

Who can I talk to about gettting unbanned Scott?

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#80 - 2015-01-07 03:49:50 UTC
Oh god, I just read the OP's blog again and this time I read it without expecting it to be a comedy. He actually believes it.

OP - How do you feel about children's sport? Is it child abuse if a child willingly (and with permission from their parents) enters an athletics competition? If they place last they may experience disappointment, be subject to ridicule, or they may injure themselves in an accident. All three occurred to me when I was a child, and I never considered any of those incidents child abuse or bullying.

Competitive environments have winners and losers, and every interaction in EVE is competitive - whether that be a ganker hunting a miner, or two Sisters of EVE level 4 mission runners both trying to offload their Sisters Core Scanner Probes on the market at the same time. When I'm in a mood for a competitive gaming experience I play EVE. When I want a non-competitive one, I load up Path of Exile instead.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com