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ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#21 - 2014-12-23 07:02:08 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
If you are not stubborn and don't treat this game like collection of centralized services, FW teaches you quite a few things more:

Asset logistics
Geographic connections
Teaches you not to trivialise travel time ("omg i got tackled 10j out pls halp")
Can teach you to be market aware/savvy if you pay attention
How to do your best with what you have. Or avoid putting yourself in a situation where you don't have what you need.

You have to get out of Jita though. Preferably with the intention of living in Lowsec.


this^^ i spent a very very short time in FW, and i was camped into a high-sec station the entire time. make the move before you commit or you may suffer the same fate.

that being said i really dont like FW. read above for a biased point of view.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-12-24 20:26:21 UTC
Gunnar Ward wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Garr Gateway wrote:

My main target side is Caldari since I would like to retain access to RvB space.
CCP HATES GALLENTE! HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE WHEN EVERY NEW PLAYER WANTS TO KEEP ACCESS TO JITA??!!!

ok, done. Just thought I'd throw that out there for trolling purposes.


Dodixie:Boston::Jita:NYC

Might not be as big, but infinitely cooler!

Disclaimer: I live in New England

These days, you can get a lot of stuff in Vlillirier a lot cheaper than you can in Orvolle, Dodixie, or Villore. Step up and build a lowsec market hub, changes the dynamics massively.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#23 - 2014-12-25 00:21:37 UTC
Vlill is an excellent system for new Gallente FW corps to join. There are plenty of stations you can make your home there and not feel too overwhelmed moving a new group into FW lowsec.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#24 - 2014-12-25 03:35:09 UTC
pro's

unlimited isk fountain
free wardec
increase your target base by wardecing your allies.
the last bastion of RP - wait a second

con's

cowards
no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates.
finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month.
fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc.
srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-12-26 19:38:28 UTC
Some good fun in faction warfare. Didn't care much for plex mechanics but the fleet vs fleet fights outside of plexes was tons of fun. Restricting ships in plexes and having to use acceleration gates makes it so most groups are frigs or cruisers and gives them plenty of chances to run if they want or get into their optimal range since you will always land same spot inside of a plex. If all plexes worked like large ones i would of enjoyed it more since there are no acceleration gates at least.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#26 - 2014-12-27 16:42:14 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
pro's

unlimited isk fountain
free wardec
increase your target base by wardecing your allies.
the last bastion of RP - wait a second

con's

cowards
no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates.
finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month.
fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc.
srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw.



Sorry, guy, but I see faction fit stuff all the time in our space. T3's, pirate cruisers, and many many faction point Garmur's.

For how easy it is for you to farm LP's, I'm surprised Republic and Imperial doesn't fly bling ALL the time.
Burtakus
Lone W0lf Society
#27 - 2014-12-29 05:33:00 UTC
Faction warfare is a ton of fun if you treat it for what it is. I am on my second stint in FW and loving every minute of it.

Pros's
- lots of PvP (solo, small gang, and fleets up to around 20-30 ish) Bigger fleets do happen but not very often and are usually for a specific objective - I can undock and go 1-2 jumps away and usually within 10 minutes I am in a fight.
- Cheap faction ships: I can run a large plex at TIer 2 and get 30k LP which is good for 3 faction frigs and it takes 20-minutes
- Decent isk: Short of my experience in a C5-C5 WH FW has the most potential for isk (I have not done incursions so can't compare)
- Plex mechanics and NPC behavior have significantly reduced the number of pure farmers
- Shiny kills are available if you work at it (2-days ago I got in on a Golem, Vargur, and 2 Vindi kills). Not to mention the faction and ded fitted frigs and cruisers I come across on a weekly basis
- Griefing War Targets in high sec is great fun when they get blown up on a gate in their own high sec
- Some of the best PvP'ers are in FW


Cons
- Solo PvP can be difficult as it's not uncommon to engage and then have local spike with the support fleet
- Many War Targets are very skittish about fighting and quite a few are risk averse to taking fights they might lose a ship in
- If you get to big and shiny of a fleet the local pirates take notice and you get blobbed by something you have no chance of countering
- Lots of folks are running around with pirate implants and links so you never know if that T1 frig is an easy kill or if you are about to get jacked up until you build a history with the local populace
- Still have cloaky stabbed farmers but they are more of an annoyance than a broken mechanic now
- Have to convert LP into isk
- Lack of fleet doctrines can make getting a desired fleet comp hard to do on short notice
- No SRP
- Cap kills are not that common but do happen
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#28 - 2014-12-29 05:45:09 UTC
Oreb Wing wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
pro's

unlimited isk fountain
free wardec
increase your target base by wardecing your allies.
the last bastion of RP - wait a second

con's

cowards
no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates.
finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month.
fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc.
srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw.



Sorry, guy, but I see faction fit stuff all the time in our space. T3's, pirate cruisers, and many many faction point Garmur's.

For how easy it is for you to farm LP's, I'm surprised Republic and Imperial doesn't fly bling ALL the time.

im speaking for half of FW, OUR half. as somebody whos been invested in fw for so many years over the last 3 years it has been the most disappointing decline in eve pvp history starting with glorious battleship fights everyday sinking down to the same repetitive 'o no my t1 frigate is gonna die' EVERY SINGLE DAY. no variation no change, garbage in, garbage out.

my list is 100% accurate of the minmatar amarr warzone. and to an extent your as well.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
PigKing
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-01-05 04:31:58 UTC
Yea....
RonPaul Rox
Prime Directive.
United Caldari Space Command.
#30 - 2015-01-05 06:50:09 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Oreb Wing wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
pro's

unlimited isk fountain
free wardec
increase your target base by wardecing your allies.
the last bastion of RP - wait a second

con's

cowards
no pimp ships are flown EVER. only t1 frigates.
finding a fight that isnt a straight up dunk happens once a month.
fw is the last bastion for the wannabe all links all implants all pills all the time faglords who claim they are solo with triple link alt etc etc.
srsly if you wanna up your *** level join fw, if you wanna have gud fights DONT go to fw.



Sorry, guy, but I see faction fit stuff all the time in our space. T3's, pirate cruisers, and many many faction point Garmur's.

For how easy it is for you to farm LP's, I'm surprised Republic and Imperial doesn't fly bling ALL the time.

im speaking for half of FW, OUR half. as somebody whos been invested in fw for so many years over the last 3 years it has been the most disappointing decline in eve pvp history starting with glorious battleship fights everyday sinking down to the same repetitive 'o no my t1 frigate is gonna die' EVERY SINGLE DAY. no variation no change, garbage in, garbage out.

my list is 100% accurate of the minmatar amarr warzone. and to an extent your as well.



people who want battleship fights go to where their losses get SRP'ed. Null-Sec

thousands of ships died per day in Huola, if those were battleships, we'd all be broke lol

http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#31 - 2015-01-05 22:29:07 UTC
there's just no venue for BS fights in FW space. if there were something FW-related that necessitated use of carriers (repping ihubs?) it's likely everyone would make an effort to have at least one fitted BS ready to go, as it is a lot of people don't even bother having them in hangar because that's space in a freighter better used for ships that will actually see the outside of a station.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#32 - 2015-01-05 22:50:41 UTC
Plato Forko wrote:
there's just no venue for BS fights in FW space. if there were something FW-related that necessitated use of carriers (repping ihubs?) it's likely everyone would make an effort to have at least one fitted BS ready to go, as it is a lot of people don't even bother having them in hangar because that's space in a freighter better used for ships that will actually see the outside of a station.



Carriers still happen in the warzone, even though, a neut legion might be a better idea than geddons or abbadons due to the fact fighters and dreads have a much easier time dealing with battleships than t3s and those t1 resists are going to be very hard to deal with for your logi. 5 neut legions might not have the neuting power of 5 geddons, but 5 dead geddons doesn't have very much neuting power at all.

Tl;DR; battleships have their place, but I think it says more about the state of battleships rather than FW that they aren't used too often in FW (after all they fit in large plexes, ofc so do carriers).
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#33 - 2015-01-06 19:48:41 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
...it has been the most disappointing decline in eve pvp history starting with glorious battleship fights everyday sinking down to the same repetitive 'o no my t1 frigate is gonna die' EVERY SINGLE DAY. no variation no change, garbage in, garbage out.

my list is 100% accurate of the minmatar amarr warzone. and to an extent your as well.


Fought a faction web and prop Worm last night with two Comets. Both Comets were in structure. It was a great fight.

IMO, regardless of what size ship you are flying, if you can engage someone that should, in most cases, kill you and if you still manage to come out on top with your foot on their neck, that is the pvp people enjoy best. Since the rebalance it has been more than possible to achieve this level of satisfaction with smaller sized hulls, as opposed to EVERYTHING but t2 until BS t1 class sucking. That means less ISK spent on dying, which means more ISK available for reshipping, which leads to more content and a happy EVE.

I still disagree with you, and am, myself, happy as a madman on a rampage.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#34 - 2015-01-09 00:19:41 UTC
Plato Forko wrote:
there's just no venue for BS fights in FW space. if there were something FW-related that necessitated use of carriers (repping ihubs?) it's likely everyone would make an effort to have at least one fitted BS ready to go, as it is a lot of people don't even bother having them in hangar because that's space in a freighter better used for ships that will actually see the outside of a station.

Unless something has drastically changed in the last couple years, anything slow/shiny is just too good a target for hotdroppers to be worth flying. No sense padding some other dude's killboard with a big slow boat that doesn't necessarily do more damage than a smaller hull, and doesn't have a large enough delta in tankability.
Nightingale Actault
Borderland Dynamics
#35 - 2015-01-09 02:19:07 UTC
Dynast wrote:
Plato Forko wrote:
there's just no venue for BS fights in FW space. if there were something FW-related that necessitated use of carriers (repping ihubs?) it's likely everyone would make an effort to have at least one fitted BS ready to go, as it is a lot of people don't even bother having them in hangar because that's space in a freighter better used for ships that will actually see the outside of a station.

Unless something has drastically changed in the last couple years, anything slow/shiny is just too good a target for hotdroppers to be worth flying. No sense padding some other dude's killboard with a big slow boat that doesn't necessarily do more damage than a smaller hull, and doesn't have a large enough delta in tankability.


Yes, the Jump Fatigue changes mean hotdrops have become increasingly rare. In my time in FW, I have only seen one hotdrop: a rapier and bombers hotdropping on 2 frigates...
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#36 - 2015-01-09 15:13:53 UTC
Here is the deal. If you want to get good at PvP and have the choice between FW and RvB go FW and here is why: RvB has set matches leading to unrealistic perceptions of what Eve PvP is like. In a real PvP situation you should always expect the unexpected. More times than not RvB does not offer that whereas FW does. So you decide to go the RvB route for a year and think you're pro move out to 0.0 and then get owned in every small scale PvP encounter.

Aside from 0.0 NPC living PvP, FW is pretty good for being able to undock and PvP.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-01-09 16:31:38 UTC
Torothin wrote:
Aside from 0.0 NPC living PvP, FW is pretty good for being able to undock and PvP.

If you want PvP on demand, FW is where it's at. I hear that systems around Hasmijaala is rather nice this time of year.

If you want blingfleet / capfleet / blobfleet then join the nullbears, wait for your Jabber ping, and sit on the titan before you get blueballed again.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#38 - 2015-01-09 16:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
There's something for everybody in low sec.

FW Novice: Frigs
FW Small: Dessies
FW Medium: Cruisers
FW Large: Opportunity for larger hulls, but really just opens the door to everybody.
POCOs: T2 cruisers/BS
Small POS: A couple dreads to reinforce, or T2/T3 Cruisers, with opportunity for larger stuff
Medium POS: A few Dreads to reinforce, opportunity for escalation
Large POS: Lots of dreads, etc....
Anomalies: Shiny kitey max boosted Russians. :)

I also think people are confusing 200 million isk BS hull (today) with an essentially free BS - for example a 42 million isk Dominix with near 100% insurance reimbursement.(yesterday). Also Today: 100 million isk/hour running FW missions. Yesterday 200-300 million isk/hour running FW missions.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#39 - 2015-01-09 16:52:42 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
Torothin wrote:
Aside from 0.0 NPC living PvP, FW is pretty good for being able to undock and PvP.

If you want PvP on demand, FW is where it's at. I hear that systems around Hasmijaala is rather nice this time of year.

If you want blingfleet / capfleet / blobfleet then join the nullbears, wait for your Jabber ping, and sit on the titan before you get blueballed again.



Wrong. NPC dwelinning entities get PvP on demand as well. I am talking non-sov 0.0 entities here.
Dynast
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#40 - 2015-01-11 23:32:20 UTC
Nightingale Actault wrote:
Yes, the Jump Fatigue changes mean hotdrops have become increasingly rare. In my time in FW, I have only seen one hotdrop: a rapier and bombers hotdropping on 2 frigates...

That makes me optimistic about revisiting EVE a couple years later. When I was last playing everything was about batphone bullshit, which for me reduced the game to roulette, but with a long-ass spin time and worse payouts.
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