Player Features and Ideas Discussion

yeah well seeing that i can only have one toon for only this single account ccp alows me to have then yeah you got me there mate

Do you really think the risk presented by sitting under a one click away infini-tank are enough for the reward of fully off grid high DPS?

What I want is for people's reward to align to the risk. I don't think that is so much to ask.

Yep some of my corp mate are roaming in catch, and BRAVE are fighting us, props to them, that's better than sitting at the undock with a carrier.

Removing Fighters assist would be an idea.

Well removing Fighter assist will change nothing... You'll just have to stop hugging a forcefield and warp on the grid, is that a real problem ? Not for ya i guess, you're not afraid to commit super anyway.

And, ppl keep saying that super would be useless with the last patch but, look at it, yesterday PL moved dozens of supers to "fight".

Did the nerf that we are talking about here would have change anything ? No

Would they stop to use their super if you are nerfing their fighters assist ? No

Be relevant.

Nerf ishtars yes, but fighter assist too.



Please read the thread - arguments like this have been dealt with already.




Exactly - this is completely wrong. If you, as a super pilot, want to affect a grid with your DPS then you should have to risk your ship by being on that grid.




The thing is, that loss in tank is completely irrelevant in the situations we're talking about, because the supers in question are POS tanking, which means they never even get shot at.

Let me make this clear: I have NO problem with on-grid supers roflpwning my fleet - if you use them that way it's totally fine. I only have a problem with totally safe max speed/dps/tracking supers POS tanking and assigning fighters to gatecamps. As you happily admit that that is BS here Panther X:



You are effectively shitting up the thread yourself by arguing against nerfs that the thread isn't proposing. And then hilariously telling other people off for doing that.

TL;DR; Not asking for fighters to be nerfed. Asking for the ability of supers to project DPS off grid in almost perfect safety to be nerfed. If you're going to argue against that then by all means lets hear what you want to say. If you want to argue against a fighter nerf i'm not even proposing, please start your own damn thread.

yes some people are abusing the system so rather than fixing it lets just remove it

So give us ideas abouut how it should.be fix.

Carriers's fighters dps are "fine", super's aren't, but throwing fighters without risks is already a broken mechanic so...

The only rational fix and even that is pretty crippling has been posted by colera deldios. Simply have assigned fighters only have base stats instead and not get bonuses from active modules while assigned meaning no boosts in dps or tracking or speed from the mods only what the hull gives..

But this suggestion to nerf fighter assist is pretty stupid and on the same level as people crying about there being a local in 0.0 and people crying about cloacky campers. All of you are simply incompetent fail people who refuse to adapt to the situation and instead cry and cry to CCP for nerfs.

People cry about cloacky campers rather than setting suprise fleet and bait them into a trap it's much easier to ***** on the forums. Competent people are never cloacky camped because camper will come once drop on them and loose their entire Blops fleet. Same goes for people crying they can't get PVP because 0.0 has local basically what they are saying is they are so fail that they do not want to PVP but want easy ganks so they want CCP to remove local to get easy ganks but they don't want to move to WH space because they are to inompetent and if they did they would have to PVP which they suck at.

People have demonstrated that with super good intel channels, alt eyes as well as bubbles and JB/Beacons it is incredibly easy like super easy to catch carrier and super carrier pilots if you have a least bit of skill.

And it's the same story here. Super carriers are only good in heavy TIDI in large groups in small groups against subcapitals they are pretty much fail/weak defang them and bump them and they are dead. Solo they are not even viable it used to be you could do driveby with super carriers now you can't even do that.

People have invested so much time, isk and sp to get these ships and now you incompetent shitlords come crying to have these ships nerfed even more when really they are in desperate need of a buff.

Fighter is a size of a Frigate so it makes sense it tracks well, only a supers fighters deal the damage you speak off and to get that you need to risk your super outside of a pos. You have to put 20b at risk to a competent person you can do this once sure you will catch him once and never again because next time he will have a trap ready for you.

And considering how super easy it is to spring such a trap and bump the super off the pos or get an awoxer into his alliance come back and bump him off there's multiple scenarios you can take.

In addition you mention this is a problem on a large scale. It's not I can think of 2 times in one year that we had massive number of people assign fighters from pos and since you could assist fighters from carriers I maybe once ran into someone having assigned fighters and I PVP all across EVE.

The message you convey is that you are to incompetent to PVP or think or you know just jump out of the system and fight the enemy on the other side where they have no fighters. From most of your killboards it's evident that you people are not interested in PVP but in easy risk calculated ganks.