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Solecist Project
#21 - 2015-01-05 13:51:53 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
It will cost you whatever the ISK value of the implants you had plugged in.

No it won't.
You already paid that cost.


Replacement costs, its a thing don't ya know.

PTR is right. You already paid the cost.

You pay upfront for the loss of your implants, not after you lose them.


When you have lost them you pay for new ones.
When you plug them in, they are gone.

The fact that you get bonuses from them does not
change that they are gone.


I know it sounds weird ...
... and my language barrier might make it sound more confusing ...
... but that's how it works.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#22 - 2015-01-05 13:56:28 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:

Grauth Thorner wrote:
You already paid that cost in ISK, yes, but got something back of the same value so you haven't lost the wealth just yet.
But have you really? If I plug in a full set of mining implants (if there is such a thing as mining implants), and then never fly a mining ship, have I not effectively lost the ISK I spent?

Not really. You have never effectively used an advantage you've paid for (and possibly never will), but in order to become the same you (read: having the same implants) when your pod is not destroyed requires 0 ISK. Once your pod is destroyed you'd have to pay ISK for the lost implants to become the same you prior to death. It's ofcourse possible that the implants are worth less to you than the actual market price, in which case you shouldn't have bought them in the first place, but that's another story.

Crumplecorn wrote:
Is having 5% more shootiness in your guns a form of wealth?
Well yes, because in order to reach this, you'll have to spend ISK or time. Otherwise there was no such thing as a character bazaar, because a new pilot would be just as expensive as a pilot with 100mil skills.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#23 - 2015-01-05 14:01:11 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Legitimately good answers to silly questions
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Noriko Mai
#24 - 2015-01-05 14:27:22 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:

Now it's possible for bitter vets like me to take a break from polishing our diamonds and fly stuff cheaper than our clones. Provided we can break from being bitter long enough to play the game instead of complain about it.

Best summary of that feature! Smile

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-01-05 16:08:31 UTC
Mharius Skjem wrote:
And what a sad ******* change it is.

Eve was better before when clones meant something, when everybody had half speed training times and you had to train learning skills to make up the difference.

Eve was better when we had cold gas arcjet thrusters and you'd lose all of your sp between clone grades if you got podded in the wrong grade of clone.

Eve was better when webs were at 90% and combat was brutal and harsh just like eve used to be.

Anymore of this **** and we'll have hello kitty online.





Back in the stone age, when I was young, lack of money meant I actually had to ride 30 km a day to school on a bicycle... even in winter. While it was no doubt a character building experience, it's not one I'd recommend, and it was definitely not enjoyable.

Somehow, this feels similar...
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-01-05 16:16:49 UTC
Thorn en Distel wrote:
Back in the stone age, when I was young, lack of money meant I actually had to ride 30 km a day to school on a bicycle... even in winter. While it was no doubt a character building experience, it's not one I'd recommend, and it was definitely not enjoyable.

Somehow, this feels similar...

You had a bike? Rich b*****d...
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#27 - 2015-01-06 23:32:02 UTC
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Eve was better when we had cold gas arcjet thrusters and you'd lose all of your sp between clone grades if you got podded in the wrong grade of clone.

It never worked like that. You would lose 5% of the difference between your SP and the clone limit or 50% of your highest trained rank, whicever was the lowest.

So in other words if you had 200M SP and had Amarr Titan 5 you would not lose 10M SP, you would howver lose half of your Amarr Titan V skill so about 2M SP.


That was the soft option, I'm pretty sure that it was all of it. I'll admit my memory is fuzzy though.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#28 - 2015-01-06 23:34:45 UTC
Ms Forum Alt wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
And what a sad ******* change it is.

Eve was better before when clones meant something, when everybody had half speed training times and you had to train learning skills to make up the difference.

Eve was better when we had cold gas arcjet thrusters and you'd lose all of your sp between clone grades if you got podded in the wrong grade of clone.

Eve was better when webs were at 90% and combat was brutal and harsh just like eve used to be.

Anymore of this **** and we'll have hello kitty online.




In all your laments you missed the best one of all. Eve was better when you could gain SP simply by using a module. Yes, when running your cold gas arcjet thrusters gave you Afterburner skill points.

Just after release this was. Shocked


I wasn't about then. Joined in 2007 (late).

Eve was beautiful because she was unforgiving.

If you ****** up, you ****** up, because you ****** up. The consequences for which were devastating.

This was the charm of Eve, it was unending challenge. Now there's not that much anymore.

A recovering btter vet,  with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...

Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
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