Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its a know fact that we have 3 options Tank/Cargo/Yield and ccp thinks
its a bad thing if we have a superior ship thats good in all or most off it

One of the many reasons that miners think we need another ship or ships
is we dont have much of a choice 3 Barges 3 Exumers 2 Support Ships and 2 Frigs

know you all think that is enough and there is no role left for more Mining ships

Its bad if we have a BS sized Mining ship that can fit weapons
hey we have drones with dmg bonus thats enough (NOT)

Also ccp thinks PvP players will protect miners the truth most of the time
pvp players think of miners as lesser beings and we can have skiffs within a mining Fleet
to protect us and while its true that a fleet off 20-30 miners with skiffs can protect themself
from small roams

at least from my experience mining fleets of that size are rare and
small scale fleets are much more common and they cant protect themself
good enough and dont start with get yourself pvp players to protect us you know they wont

I think is not that bad to have another set of mining ships if in bs size or not is anothere thing
the role can be the same with the only difference that they can switch between an
Battle and Mining mode lets say 30 sec to switch and no dps ewar logi etc can be used in mining mode

Skiff Variant has the most Tank and DPS
Mack Variant has Medium Tank and Ewar Bonus
Hulk Variant Medium Tank + Logi

Give Miners the Ability to Protect and support them self
its a knows fact that miners band together and enjoy another
part of eve lets give them the ability to do so without forcing pvp players
to participate in activity's they don like and vice versa

+ I would like to have more to skill than exumer 5 and no Rorqual and Orca do not count

and i know i proposed 3 T3 Mining Ships

i did spend a great deal of though in this concept and hope that i will get feedback

Why do you need protection ? A mining barge is not build to fight. Keep a eye on the local/ intel use the d-scan and warp out if there are enemys.

No need of T3- Miner. But if you wanna some fit some miner on a T3 your choise. You will get a very crappy yield but you got a t3 miner.

Any other solution will not be supported by me ;)

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Okay heres the deal, I have no issue with whatever firepower mining ships get, I do however have an issue with them being as tanky as skiff is.

*Snip* Removed off-topic part of the post. ISD Ezwal.

And let's forget about 'new' mining ships. We have a few old working horses which might be turned into that role.

Or maybe CCP would make an AT mining limited issue barge and exhumer worth of billions to make everyone happy.

Why should they be able to protect themselves? My combat ship does not print me ISK while I fly it in space.

Why isn't it good gameplay? When you are mining (or missioning, hauling, etc) you are playing the prey item in this game in exchange for the ISK/resources you earn. The hunters get to hunt you. If you want turn the tables on them you can, but you can't do that while earning your ISK without pause.

Organize a defense, lay a trap, or be the fastest gazelle and run away - all are valid options. But you don't get to pilot a viable combat ship (although the Procurer/Skiff come close) while mining away at full yield.

These tradeoffs are the core of the game and one of the few things that make mining interesting. Make your choice and live with the consequences.

So... Skiff? 107k EHP, 177m SigRad, 238 DPS and those values are using a yield oriented fit and before boosts.
Let's assume a 'smallscale' mining op consisting of 3 Skiffs. That's 700 DPS from a bunch of mining ships to be dealt with, along with an obscene tank to overcome. Sounds more than balanced to me...

CODE. would love that change I assume... no tank for 30s? A single smartbomb suicide battleship will have a lot of fun in icebelts. And let's be honest here... if you are unable to make use of your local or Dscan then you won't activate that combat mode in time anyway.

'+ your mining ship can print isk while you are in belts and mining the only difference is you could fight back
just not optimal because you are mostly a miner' - fixed

Isn't that what good miners already do? Scouts, Watchlists, EWAR, etc. you should try them too. Also Higgs Anchor is perfect for staying aligned to station or whatever and still be able to mine at ease.

Miners are prey. The definition alone dictates that a miner is inferior to a fighter. Simple logic.

Mining ships get a siege module of sorts. It has a two-minute cycle time, boosts their resists, makes them immune to all outside interference (ewar, logi and the like), and reduces the ship's maximum velocity to zero (you cannot move but can be bumped). It also gives a weapons timer so that you have to make an on-the-fly tactical decision of whether it's worth using that module or not.

Oh and you're giving up a strip miner to fit it because no new highslots.

Oh and if you hate PvP so much that you're using all-caps to say so, why are you playing a PvP-centric game where literally anyone can shoot you in the face with CCP's explicit blessing? I'm serious. Answer that question before you continue with this thread.

Lazy people, instead of using brains moaning about new stuff.

Mining ops was always a risky business. And mining ships were paper thin, so CCP was kind enough to improve their tankability.
But looks like now it's not enough. Where is your support? Where is your back up? U may use fleet booster to increase your shield tank, drugs as well. Where is your mining ops planning, where is your intel arround area of your ops.

Nah, instead of that you prefer something different.

You already have them. Dock up and reship.

I've been in mining ops. The only question that was ever asked is, Are we done yet?

To be real, we don't need new ships. We have too many now.
Pointed out, Skiffs are battleship tanks and have 50% to drone damage and putting drone damage amplifiers in the lows makes far more sense than mining upgrades under any circumstance. I prefer bulkheads because I mine in high sec and I just need to wait for granny Concord to get in on the action but either one would work,

Not so mush saying your idea is 'bad'. It's already here though.