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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#81 - 2014-12-29 03:16:20 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice.

Calling us lockhappy isn't really advice. If I'm not mistaken the number of locked threads has gone down since CCL was created.

Numerically or by percentage? You see math is a *****, you may lock less threads but if there are less threads to lock then the percentage has gone up.

But thanks to the OP my previous statement is now fact, EvE ,may not be dying but GD sure is. :)
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#82 - 2014-12-29 03:19:09 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Interesting numbers, always love them

Cause and effect is tenuous at best when dealing with statistics http://twentytwowords.com/funny-graphs-show-correlation-between-completely-unrelated-stats-9-pictures/ so I won't even get into those (although I am suspicious of ZZ)

The ideas are still out there, still coming in. The threadnaugts still ride at dawn and consume the masses.

Nah, not dead, just resting.

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That actually made me laugh a TON :D +1

Here, made this for you Big smile

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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#83 - 2014-12-29 03:23:55 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Ok people, calm down please.

As the discussion stands, it is a chicken/egg dilemma. Is the thread count down because of moderation? Or is it down despite moderation?
As there are no straight answers to those questions, only opinions, the only thing I can say is that we do our utmost best to keep this forum as healthy as possible. Most of the time to the satisfaction of the majority of the forum posters and the people we work for at CCP.

Just let me be very clear, the policy on how we handle the forum stands as it is now.
However, if and when we make mistakes we also do our utmost best to rectify them. As I have done in the past and will continue to do in the future.


Edit: I removed a reply to an edited out part of the quoted post.

Healthy or alive? There is a big difference.

I do not see the forums coming back to life. I do not see thread "pruning" in any way increasing or bettering the conversation. Look through the current threads, do you see much of them being constructive? But then look at all the threads that have been pruned because they have been deemed non-constructive. There is such a thing as constructive criticism.1

What is going on in the forums now is more akin to keeping the patient on life support to milk the insurance company rather than administer the antidote.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#84 - 2014-12-29 03:32:25 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Ignoring that posts/hr are of no value whatsoever.

You can come up with irrelevant data that proves nothing all the time,
but unless you somehow prove that it actually got worse ...

... you simply have nothing to say beyond your typical asshattery.


Ignore me all you want ... it won't help you.

And yet posts like this go without moderation.

ISD...something about personal attacks....

Sooner or later there will be harsh realities to be faced. At some point CCP will need to make decisions based upon survival or die the coolest kid in town that no one cared about. They have spent like drunken sailors on abject failures and their product shows it. And not all the fanboi love in the world will save EvE, so check into reality people and start being part of the solution and not the problem.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#85 - 2014-12-29 03:36:05 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:

Sooner or later there will be harsh realities to be faced. At some point CCP will need to make decisions based upon survival or die the coolest kid in town that no one cared about. They have spent like drunken sailors on abject failures and their product shows it. And not all the fanboi love in the world will save EvE, so check into reality people and start being part of the solution and not the problem.


Although I am sure I will regret asking, what is the point of this off topic ranting?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#86 - 2014-12-29 03:40:28 UTC
Is ISD question if forums are dying because less shiptoasters or because they all hate the ISD?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#87 - 2014-12-29 05:51:48 UTC
Changes in technology might also be a factor.

Look at Disqus for example. Funny thing is that the structure of a Disqus article/thread is closer to that of threads from the late 1990s, meaning we have gone full circle. It's just a little more modernized and dynamic.

Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication.

Back in my day™ we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years.

But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages.


And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena.



Not sure I can say if it's a good thing or a bad thing. Just a thing.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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#88 - 2014-12-29 18:08:31 UTC
Maybe people got bored of making threads/posts, only to be removed/snipped/locked due to lack of perception.
Perhaps an Improved ocular filter might help.

~lvl 60 paladin~
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#89 - 2014-12-29 21:46:37 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Reduced thread count is obviously indicative of more efficient forum usage, and the denizens starting far fewer duplicate topics.


lol That would be a nice thought. Actually people have left to go where they can actually discuss.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#90 - 2014-12-29 21:50:45 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
No one is trolling or flaming you. Actually, you're being given advice.


You haven't noticed? That is not allowed.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#91 - 2014-12-29 22:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ioci
Well of course there are going to be less posts if you are only going to count the metric ones.

Add all the imperial, standard 'murican threads and it's another day at the office.


Roll
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wut?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#92 - 2015-01-04 20:56:03 UTC
The more moderation the better. ISD's are doing a great job. Would love to see even more of a crackdown against personal attacks and lack of civility. It's better to have a lower post count with more class than a higher post count with less class.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#93 - 2015-01-04 22:25:18 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication.

Back in my day™ we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years.

But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages.


And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena.

I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? Blink) but public forums aren't at all foreign.

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2015-01-04 22:45:20 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? Blink) but public forums aren't at all foreign.

You mean people do not use Usenet still?

*falls out of his rocking chair...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#95 - 2015-01-04 22:53:37 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Looking at how younger people (get off my lawn you kids) handle communications is also an indication.

Back in my day™ we had the BBS system and with the early internet, Usenet (yeah yeah up hill, 3' of snow, dinosaurs). If letters in a computer could be converted to energy, we probably powered an entire solar system for 20 years.

But now, with up/down vote, Twitter, and portable devices, the messages are shorter, more direct, and have no substance really. Suffice to say I don't see the younger crowd simply using this anachronistic concept known as a forum where one must take time to read and write - time that does not exist in an internet of "constant updates" and text messages.


And so the cost of maintaining a complete forum such as this just might be more than it's worth because only us old geezers and bitter vets are going to use it to brag to each other about how much ISK we have and how great CCP Dropbear was and how much we all hated the Macarena.

I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? Blink) but public forums aren't at all foreign.



I would post more but my punch card reader only takes 77 characters per line.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#96 - 2015-01-04 22:54:40 UTC
Guttripper wrote:
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
I'm not sure this applies to EVE. Most players are well into their 20s, with the average player being 28 if I'm not mistaken. Usenet might predate many of us (seriously how old are you? Blink) but public forums aren't at all foreign.

You mean people do not use Usenet still?

*falls out of his rocking chair...



Watch your hip.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2015-01-04 23:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugar Smacks
Lets see the most obvious problems,

1. This has been discussed but not fixed = locked thread, I personally find it interesting the answer in EvE to something being
broken is just to ignore it and further discussion leads to locking.
2. Trolls just allowed to troll, comon EVERY thread has a troll in it, they don't even hide here, but someone being a condescending ******* is just permitted since we hate to offend anyone that ignores the broken stuff.
3. Can't really discuss moderation it will just lead to another locked thread = another rigged method.
4. This place is overall not very interesting as anything interesting is not allowed to be discussed.

Now make sure you say sandbox over and over.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#98 - 2015-01-05 01:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Some points everybody happily ignored:

1) You can't really count in the first "new forums" operating year. A TON of useful / famous threads were "ported over" from the old forums to the new ones. Typical examples: my charity and RL trading threads started on the old forums, I re-created them on the new forums in order to be able and continue posting in them.
Other very typical example: most 3rd party websites and apps had their "official thread" ported over too. In example the Reverence library (but I could name dozens of apps / libraries) had its development + deployment + support thread on the old forums and it got ported over the new forums.

This factor alone had heavily impacted on the first year count. This count is often where the biggest activity drop may be seen. So I'd recalculate usage drop starting from the second year past new forums creation.

2) Whereas the old forums were "vibrant" as some say, they had a LOT of pure shiptoasting going on. The new moderation politics curbed both the "vibrant" and the "shiptoasting" posts.

3) Some of the most prolific "vibrant" posts creators quit in 2012-ish. People like Akita T had huge, quality posts count (she was top poster or close to) but then they quit. Many quit at the time of the "golden ammo and $1,000 pants" revolt. Others when CCP went ape-BEEP and announced some totally crazy initiatives like charging 3rd party apps and website developers. Which happen also to be some of the most creative, vibrant, passionate and prolific posters.
Other posters would create immense feedback. Who may forget the "Gankageddon" threads and how they'd ripple in hundreds and hundreds threads on GD / C&P? That too is over.

So, I'd not draw a direct causation relation between moderation and less "vibrant" posting, but more between CCP policy changes and how they were felt by famous posters.

4) More frequent and less heavy changes EvE patches cause much less speculation before their release. The reduced scope also cause less zillions of irated posts about what went wrong, because the changes are just less and less powerful over time.

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Luca Lure
Obertura
#99 - 2015-01-05 07:16:49 UTC
There is soo much to find on google and youtube. Amazing good tutorials from Sir Livingston or whatever his name is. No reason to post a question except when you cannot find anything on the subject.

Also to UI changes made a lot of things easier to find.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#100 - 2015-01-05 08:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Crumplecorn
The data indicates that I was a positive influence on the old forum, and am a negative influence on the new forum.

I suspect the lack of signature images is the cause.

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