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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#21 - 2015-01-04 22:24:11 UTC
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Koebmand
Silverflames
#22 - 2015-01-04 23:13:45 UTC
Saying that mining and missions are the only options for ISK income for new players is wrong in my opinion.

I rather quickly got into exploration, and I think it is a good way for the new player to get their first income.

Start in high sec, get scan and hack routine + some basic skills and money for a few replacement ships.

Soon as I could cloak I moved to null sites, using WHs to not have to worry about gate camps.

It is not super steady income, but you get to see a lot of the different parts of the game. It doesn't get you involved in large group content though, but missions and mining is done rather alone by most/many people too.
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#23 - 2015-01-04 23:30:11 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
This is what it says in the welcome mail a new account gets.

Quote:
The currency of EVE Online is Interstellar Kredits (ISK), and you're going to want lots of it. Luckily, it's pretty easy to come by, and there are several ways for new players to begin acquiring it.

Agent Missions – The Empires of New Eden and their agents offer missions to pilots capable of getting the job done. These missions reward pilots with ISK and loot as well taking you to every corner of Empire space.

Mining – Ore is mined from asteroids, which can then be sold or reprocessed into minerals. The minerals, along with a blueprint, are used to manufacture items and ships; alternatively they can be sold on the market directly.



No wonder newbies have this warped sense of priorities and limited gameplay choices, IT'S CCP TELLING THEM TO GO GRIND! seriously, this is really really bad.


It's only a prompt, eve is an economic game at its core so getting new players to understand that is a good thing.

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Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2015-01-04 23:47:45 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
This is what it says in the welcome mail a new account gets.

Quote:
The currency of EVE Online is Interstellar Kredits (ISK), and you're going to want lots of it. Luckily, it's pretty easy to come by, and there are several ways for new players to begin acquiring it.

Agent Missions – The Empires of New Eden and their agents offer missions to pilots capable of getting the job done. These missions reward pilots with ISK and loot as well taking you to every corner of Empire space.

Mining – Ore is mined from asteroids, which can then be sold or reprocessed into minerals. The minerals, along with a blueprint, are used to manufacture items and ships; alternatively they can be sold on the market directly.



No wonder newbies have this warped sense of priorities and limited gameplay choices, IT'S CCP TELLING THEM TO GO GRIND! seriously, this is really really bad.



Real noobs don`t read wall of text in any game?! the want the action not reading a book!
Wendrika Hydreiga
#25 - 2015-01-05 00:14:26 UTC
But won't new players learn how the game works by mining and doing missions? I mean, sure, you guys want newbies to jump straight to lowsec/nullsec on their Ibis and enjoy the glory that is PvP, but the honest true to heart newbie barely knows how to move the ship around!

Mining gives them a good perception on how EVE is mostly a waiting game. You wait for skills, for fleets, for research, for mining cycles, wait while looking for fights and data/relic sites. They are going to need patience and mining will give them a crash course.

Missions gives them the basics of combat. How to move, how to target, how to shoot. Those first level 1s on their skilless frigates are going to be hard for a newbie that barely knows how to undock. And exciting.

Honestly, if anything, the mail is missing an entire line encouraging them to join Faction War.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#26 - 2015-01-05 00:16:20 UTC
Holy ****, this is bad! O_O

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#27 - 2015-01-05 00:17:58 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
But won't new players learn how the game works by mining and doing missions?
No.

Please explain me what a new player learns about the game ...
... while not playing the game.


Missions ... okay ... he can learn quite a bit that way, but mining?


This **** is nuts.

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Wendrika Hydreiga
#28 - 2015-01-05 00:27:49 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
But won't new players learn how the game works by mining and doing missions?
No.


Well... I learned a lot on the first week with my Venture. Just saying.

Didn't you mined too when you first started out Sol?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#29 - 2015-01-05 00:36:08 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Oh yes, I help newbies a lot and have done so for many years, in many different ways.

First of all change the initial exposure to EVE away from "must do basic mind numbing stuff" by either expanding on the fact that there's tons of choices and options and above all avoid the "it's all about that isk" silliness. Empowering newbies by showing them that it's fine to not rush ahead but instead slow down, look around and find the funky side of things is the way forward for a sandbox like EVE.

The career tutorials (and the newbie systems as a whole) need a massive rethink. They're limited, boring, and the hilarious amount of text windows make new players just uninstall the game in disgust.

So I take it you are going to personally fund every new player all their ships and implants and skill books?
Because EVE is all about Isk.
Without isk you can't do anything. Even more so than skills, Low skills you can fit Tech 1, it might be terrible compared to a Meta 4 or T2 fit, but it still flies. But without isk you can't even fit T1. Or buy skill books.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#30 - 2015-01-05 00:45:02 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Oh yes, I help newbies a lot and have done so for many years, in many different ways.

First of all change the initial exposure to EVE away from "must do basic mind numbing stuff" by either expanding on the fact that there's tons of choices and options and above all avoid the "it's all about that isk" silliness. Empowering newbies by showing them that it's fine to not rush ahead but instead slow down, look around and find the funky side of things is the way forward for a sandbox like EVE.

The career tutorials (and the newbie systems as a whole) need a massive rethink. They're limited, boring, and the hilarious amount of text windows make new players just uninstall the game in disgust.

So I take it you are going to personally fund every new player all their ships and implants and skill books?
Because EVE is all about Isk.
Without isk you can't do anything. Even more so than skills, Low skills you can fit Tech 1, it might be terrible compared to a Meta 4 or T2 fit, but it still flies. But without isk you can't even fit T1. Or buy skill books.



I see you're not capable of logic or reasoning. "Don't focus too much on grinding isk. Instead just take your time to sample different things and play styles" is not the same as "whatever you do, don't make any isk", especially not since career tutorials pay just nicely for a newbie.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#31 - 2015-01-05 00:50:33 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
But won't new players learn how the game works by mining and doing missions?
No.


Well... I learned a lot on the first week with my Venture. Just saying.

Didn't you mined too when you first started out Sol?

No!

Prior to logging in the first time I spent two weeks reading about game mechanics.

My first money I made by scrapping together ****, stealing from cans, to get an iteron ...
... and trucking around from high to low.

After that I spent my time ninja salvaging.


Mining shouldn't be anything a new player should do, at all.
It's a crappy mechanic, it makes people do something else instead of playing,
it makes them crappy ISK and risks that they just stick with it.


You say you learned a lot in your first week in your venture.

That wasn't quite the question, though!


The question is: What did you learn while mining?

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

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Serene Repose
#32 - 2015-01-05 05:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Look. I recall being NEW. I didn't, and don't, have a bunch of friends to rely on, or transition to. I came into an NPC corp and pretty much stayed there while people said, "Find a corp! Find a corp!" While at the same time saying, "Trust nobody! Trust nobody!" I tell you, it would have been a whole lot easier if all the forum experts who know exactly how to make the perfect game had been around to help a poor new girl out. But, you weren't there...nobody was there.

So, who are YOU to criticize ANYTHING having to do with NEW PLAYERS - in ANY fashion?

People who get dizzy staring at asteroids, or cloaking in null sec, then start thinking, then get this flood of brilliant ideas, should wrap their keyboards with duct tape to circumvent them posting these brainstorms in HERE.
ISD Ezwal wrote:
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Thanks a lot!
TYVM. Have a nice day. Shocked

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Luca Lure
Obertura
#33 - 2015-01-05 06:25:27 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
....
Prior to logging in the first time I spent two weeks reading about game mechanics.


I would love to see how you setup some new equipment at home. Before unpacking a device, must read the manual. Must read the manual. Must rust the ....... sorry, fell asleep.

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#34 - 2015-01-05 06:53:09 UTC
It's amazing the number of posts which either don't have a problem pushing noobs towards grinding ISK in some of the least EVEy parts of the game, and/or actually believe that mining and missioning is all noobs can do.

Ah, I remember back when I used to mine and do missions. Oh wait, no I don't.

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#35 - 2015-01-05 09:35:28 UTC
Luca Lure wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
....
Prior to logging in the first time I spent two weeks reading about game mechanics.


I would love to see how you setup some new equipment at home. Before unpacking a device, must read the manual. Must read the manual. Must rust the ....... sorry, fell asleep.

Dude, we have some weird thing people call the Internet
intelligent people use to learn about things without needing to own them.

I know that this is rather hard for you to grasp, but this **** really works!!

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#36 - 2015-01-05 09:36:41 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
It's amazing the number of posts which either don't have a problem pushing noobs towards grinding ISK in some of the least EVEy parts of the game, and/or actually believe that mining and missioning is all noobs can do.

Ah, I remember back when I used to mine and do missions. Oh wait, no I don't.

It is. TL;DR: People are assholes, clueless or both.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#37 - 2015-01-05 10:44:55 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Luca Lure wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
....
Prior to logging in the first time I spent two weeks reading about game mechanics.


I would love to see how you setup some new equipment at home. Before unpacking a device, must read the manual. Must read the manual. Must rust the ....... sorry, fell asleep.

Dude, we have some weird thing people call the Internet
intelligent people use to learn about things without needing to own them.

I know that this is rather hard for you to grasp, but this **** really works!!

However it is not how most new players do things. The see a vid or get invited by a friend and sign up for the free trial.
They then spend every bit of free time in the next couple of days getting frustrated that they can't do much due to not understanding the controls yet, not having the skills they want, or other issues.
The career missions are great for getting new players on their feet with skillbooks, ships, and a little isk but the need to wait before you can do things really doesn't help much.
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
#38 - 2015-01-05 10:51:39 UTC
so this gives me an idea, why don't you craft a better letter and post it here ...and we'll all feel really edified by your skill instead of being put off by another complaint.

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#39 - 2015-01-05 11:03:04 UTC
OP - Since it's EVE, they are lucky the mail didn't reach out and just ***** slap them. Get them in the proper frame of mind right off the bat.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-01-05 15:12:17 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
This is what it says in the welcome mail a new account gets.

Quote:
The currency of EVE Online is Interstellar Kredits (ISK), and you're going to want lots of it. Luckily, it's pretty easy to come by, and there are several ways for new players to begin acquiring it.

Agent Missions – The Empires of New Eden and their agents offer missions to pilots capable of getting the job done. These missions reward pilots with ISK and loot as well taking you to every corner of Empire space.

Mining – Ore is mined from asteroids, which can then be sold or reprocessed into minerals. The minerals, along with a blueprint, are used to manufacture items and ships; alternatively they can be sold on the market directly.



No wonder newbies have this warped sense of priorities and limited gameplay choices, IT'S CCP TELLING THEM TO GO GRIND! seriously, this is really really bad.


There's a mail ?!
Telling you how to make ISK?!

All I got was 5000 ISK from granma (I presume) and a message from this Aura lady telling me to Undock (in my own time) ...

/sarcasm

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