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De-Minmatarization: First Tower Constructed and Operational

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#81 - 2015-01-04 22:35:44 UTC
Incompetence and shortsightedness.

This tower could be an excellent bait to lure abolitionist jerks and hotdrop them while they were bashing. And you just burn down assets and kill Nauplius's slaves for nothing, trying to "save" couple of them.

Disgusting.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#82 - 2015-01-04 22:42:36 UTC
Shove off, Kim.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#83 - 2015-01-04 22:47:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Ms. Del'thul,

You came onto this thread questioning whether the Amarr could handle Nauplius, followed by an offer of transportation in a military operation. They asked for guns and you offer a hauler. I'm sure if they need a hauler they'll let you know, but if that's all you have to offer then I don't understand why you talk so much about what they should do and how they should handle the situation. I'm sure your offer has been noted and will be requested if needed; you need not press the issue further.

Now you accuse ex-TS-F members of chest-beating; in what way are they chest-beating? You don't like the way they operate, that's fine. I wasn't a fan of being in the same alliance as some of those toasters but unless I was going to do something about it I kept my mouth shut. At the end of the day, they're getting the job done. Whether they pray to Master Kuvakei or not before they crawl into bed really doesn't matter.

Ms. Kim,

If the TLF had much of a force left then I could see your point. As things stand, most of their mercenaries seem to be taking a summer vacation in other regions. Taking the tower down is more of a political move than anything else.

-Eran
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#84 - 2015-01-04 23:16:54 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Ms. Del'thul,

You came onto this thread questioning whether the Amarr could handle Nauplius, followed by an offer of transportation in a military operation. They asked for guns and you offer a hauler. I'm sure if they need a hauler they'll let you know, but if that's all you have to offer then I don't understand why you talk so much about what they should do and how they should handle the situation. I'm sure your offer has been noted and will be requested if needed; you need not press the issue further.


A neutral party's transportation, following any potential military action, to ensure transparency and reduce (or even eliminate) the potential for violent altercations over the fate of survivors and those in need. I would think that's quite a good offer, especially given that it is made to enemies.

The issue pressed is the manner of refusing this (and other very reasonable offers), indicating ulterior motives. Pyre is quite capable of finishing the job themselves, or I'm sure they wouldn't have started it. Why such an insistence on having hostiles on the field? Why demand putting ships and crew at risk of an ambush by the people who are demonstrably as bad or even worse than Nauplius, holding the fate of these survivors hostage unless this is done?

It certainly demonstrates quite well that the fate and well being of those survivors is less important than bringing an enemy fleet to a specific location at a specific time. I'm sure you're quite capable of understanding why this is a rather suspicious demand made with these people held hostage in such a manner.

I am quite certain that if I approached Pyre or Outlaws to come help us with the POSes we reinforced lately, it'd be rather suspicious. Holding something hostage if they don't comply with that demand, worse still.

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Now you accuse ex-TS-F members of chest-beating; in what way are they chest-beating? You don't like the way they operate, that's fine. I wasn't a fan of being in the same alliance as some of those toasters but unless I was going to do something about it I kept my mouth shut. At the end of the day, they're getting the job done. Whether they pray to Master Kuvakei or not before they crawl into bed really doesn't matter.


I am fairly sure I've already gathered more Pyre kills than losses both in isk and numbers to them already, so I've already done my part in "doing something about it". At the end of the day, they might be destroying this POS, but I think we can all agree that there are more to a group of people than one act here and one act there, particularly when the demands they're making is taken into account.

Madmen fighting a madman is all well and good, but the blatant hostility towards any humanitarian effort certainly leads to questions about what these Nation lunatics are actually planning to do with the survivors.

Given their public and repeated statements on their allegiance and long-term intents, this is not an unreasonable thing to ponder.

In short, the TS-F exiles being the quite loquacious face of PY-RE does not exactly engender trust in that entity, their motivations or their claims.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#85 - 2015-01-04 23:29:04 UTC
Actually we can settle this. I am pretty sure that linking killboards is frowned on here, but for your elucidation we have killed 6.5 billion ISK worth of Ushra'Khan ships, while losing 2.5 billion ISK to Ushra'Khan.

Not that I am chest beating, but you're now making blatantly false claims and need to return yourself to reality.
Shiva Makoto
Blue Canary
Watch This
#86 - 2015-01-04 23:30:37 UTC
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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#87 - 2015-01-04 23:57:18 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Actually we can settle this. I am pretty sure that linking killboards is frowned on here, but for your elucidation we have killed 6.5 billion ISK worth of Ushra'Khan ships, while losing 2.5 billion ISK to Ushra'Khan.

Not that I am chest beating, but you're now making blatantly false claims and need to return yourself to reality.


Did I mention Ushra'Khan? I was called out personally, and I responded quite accurately on what I have done. I have faced you in combat and I have both destroyed and had ships destroyed in these instances. I have done my part in "doing something", would you not agree?

Unless of course you know of any other metric to use, the poor mechanics of the only recording system we have available are what we got.

Of course, raising to the childish bait of Mintor was a mistake to begin with, that much I'll grant you.

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#88 - 2015-01-05 00:57:29 UTC
Concerned capsuleers,

After reviewing the dossiers from private conversations and, of course, the awful display in this thread I am disappointed that I have to make this simple announcement:

Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is standing down from this matter.

I'd like to personally thank the commitement of my fellow pilots who've done the tedious initial work done.
Seeing as we have not gotten a professional response in private nor on here we do not see the point in committing anything to this venture, if all we get is mistrust, bile and open hatred even in the face of smashing a joint enemy.

Feel free to bicker among yourselves.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#89 - 2015-01-05 01:10:38 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Concerned capsuleers,

After reviewing the dossiers from private conversations and, of course, the awful display in this thread I am disappointed that I have to make this simple announcement:

Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is standing down from this matter.

I'd like to personally thank the commitement of my fellow pilots who've done the tedious initial work done.
Seeing as we have not gotten a professional response in private nor on here we do not see the point in committing anything to this venture, if all we get is mistrust, bile and open hatred even in the face of smashing a joint enemy.

Feel free to bicker among yourselves.



Typical cowards. Run like tiny child at first sign of danger.



Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#90 - 2015-01-05 01:18:15 UTC
Darc Kaahar wrote:
Desiderya wrote:
Concerned capsuleers,

After reviewing the dossiers from private conversations and, of course, the awful display in this thread I am disappointed that I have to make this simple announcement:

Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is standing down from this matter.

I'd like to personally thank the commitement of my fellow pilots who've done the tedious initial work done.
Seeing as we have not gotten a professional response in private nor on here we do not see the point in committing anything to this venture, if all we get is mistrust, bile and open hatred even in the face of smashing a joint enemy.

Feel free to bicker among yourselves.



Typical cowards. Run like tiny child at first sign of danger.





I believe its more so "taking your ball and going home."

Well, everyone did seem pretty hostile towards them, still they could have tried to spite everyone, though that's childish as well....

Ugh
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#91 - 2015-01-05 01:48:11 UTC
The mistrust, bile and open hatred tends to happen when you fill the corp with Sansha and then let them take care of your public relations.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#92 - 2015-01-05 02:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
If someone else was to take over where you left off and destroy the tower, would Pyre assist them? Or are they out for good? Bear in mind everyone would agree that away from that madman, no matter where, is better than with him. Thus how to take care of the survivors would be dealt with after they are safe.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#93 - 2015-01-05 02:06:47 UTC
If anyone wants to take over then they should learn not to talk about it in public like idiots.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#94 - 2015-01-05 02:14:21 UTC
That's the fun thing about hypothetical questions.... they don't mean anything now do they?.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#95 - 2015-01-05 02:25:09 UTC
God has sown confusion among his enemies.

He will also offer assured admission to Paradise to anyone who defends the De-Minmatarization Tower (location upthread) against whatever does show up at attack it a little after 17:00 today. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Darc Kaahar
Space Men
#96 - 2015-01-05 02:27:26 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
God has sown confusion among his enemies.

He will also offer assured admission to Paradise to anyone who defends the De-Minmatarization Tower (location upthread) against whatever does show up at attack it a little after 17:00 today. Amen. Amarr Victor.


My colon is full. I need to evacuate it as soon as possible.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2015-01-05 02:31:35 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
God has sown confusion among his enemies.

He will also offer assured admission to Paradise to anyone who defends the De-Minmatarization Tower (location upthread) against whatever does show up at attack it a little after 17:00 today. Amen. Amarr Victor.


And your God has sown confusion through a Matari.

Think about that.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#98 - 2015-01-05 03:04:11 UTC
Come on guys, it was just a simple Mizunderstanding.

Katrina Oniseki

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#99 - 2015-01-05 03:05:07 UTC
What can I say? Miztakes have been made.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#100 - 2015-01-05 03:05:51 UTC
Don't let this be a Mizzed opportunity.

Katrina Oniseki