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De-Minmatarization: First Tower Constructed and Operational

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Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#61 - 2015-01-04 15:18:00 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Should my directorate find it acceptable, I would like to take care of any survivors among my people. I will also make the appropriate arrangements to move them out of the warzone to a safer location. After all, Matari should be with Matari.


You side with Sansha and the Empire. You are even less Matari than I ever was. I would see PIE or CVA take them over someone as vile as you.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#62 - 2015-01-04 15:22:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalaratiri
PYRE is not a Sansha corp, despite the loyalties of several of our members. PYRE is a Kalaakiota aligned mercenary group on contract with the Amarr militia. Each of our members are allowed to hold their own beliefs.

I am no longer speaking along the corp line, this is just me now.

You (Nauplius) are insane. You are murdering my people. I will see you burn wherever your infestation spreads.

I am extremely grateful to the pilots of PYRE who took it upon themselves to attack Nauplius' POS even before I could ask them to. I sincerely wish I could be there to help.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#63 - 2015-01-04 15:25:50 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Should my directorate find it acceptable, I would like to take care of any survivors among my people. I will also make the appropriate arrangements to move them out of the warzone to a safer location. After all, Matari should be with Matari.


You side with Sansha and the Empire. You are even less Matari than I ever was. I would see PIE or CVA take them over someone as vile as you.


"It's just business"

Do not take my contempt for the Republic and it's methods to mean that I do not still care for my kin. My current employments is intended as.. shock therapy.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Solarienne
Hrimdraugar
#64 - 2015-01-04 15:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Solarienne
Kalaratiri wrote:
PYRE is not a Sansha corp, despite the loyalties of several of our members. PYRE is a Kalaakiota aligned mercenary group on contract with the Amarr militia. Each of our members are allowed to hold their own beliefs.

I am no longer speaking along the corp line, this is just me now.

You (Nauplius) are insane. You are murdering my people. I will see you burn wherever your infestation spreads.

I am extremely grateful to the pilots of PYRE who took it upon themselves to attack Nauplius' POS even before I could ask them to. I sincerely wish I could be there to help.


No problem, corpie. It's pretty easy to take a stand when you only have to stand against a pair of non-functional White Noise batteries, so its no big deal really.

To those trying to crow over the potential survivors of any tower take down - show up and stake a claim. I personally have no stake beyond landing a few shots on the tower if I get the chance, but its pretty blinkered to think you can expect any impact on the poor bastards stuck in those hangars without helping break the prison walls down.

PY-RE Combat Pilot

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#65 - 2015-01-04 15:31:13 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:

"It's just business"


You can say much about the enemies of my people, be they PIE, the Empire, CVA or whoever else threatens my kin. At least they have principles and a cause, misguided as they may be. "It's just business" reveals how little you possess of both.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#66 - 2015-01-04 15:39:28 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:

"It's just business"


You can say much about the enemies of my people, be they PIE, the Empire, CVA or whoever else threatens my kin. At least they have principles and a cause, misguided as they may be. "It's just business" reveals how little you possess of both.


Thank you for completely ignoring the second half of my post.

The business is why PYRE are engaged with the TLF.
The principles and the cause are why I am employed with PYRE.

But enough. If you wish to stake a claim Del'thul, then show up and try it.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#67 - 2015-01-04 16:00:20 UTC
I have offered my aid. It is at the very limits of what can be done when dealing with Sansha without hitting a moral and ethical bedrock. If there'd been even the slightest hint of decency in Pyre or yourself, the offer would have been accepted without grandstanding and "staking claim".

And any "principle or cause" that makes you side with Sansha are bankrupt by default, and you know it.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#68 - 2015-01-04 16:01:50 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Perhaps this is all a misunderstanding between me and Pyre Falcon Defence and Security. After all, we have so much in common. I share with Pyre Falcon Defence and Security's Sansha members the following two exceptionally unpopular beliefs, beliefs that should cause us to stand together against the masses who oppose them:

  • Rejection of free will.
  • Controlling of slaves by means of brain implants.

In fact, I briefly entertained the idea of making the De-Minmatarization Tower a Sansha tower instead of a Blood Raider one.

Furthermore, Pyre Falcon Defence and Security is ostensibly on the same side of the faction war as me, and surely PY-RE's time in the warzone has convinced them of the utter filthiness of the Minmatar. Why, then, does the organization fight against De-Minmatarization?


I can't speak for the reasons for why the corporation is doing what it is doing - That decision was made at a higher level than I am at.

I can tell you why I am personally happy to shoot at your tower: You have not been put through the gauntlet, and since what respect I have for the Sani Sabik faith is predicated upon shared ideas of strength and power, I felt like I had to take it upon myself to become your nemesis and put your claim of being a prophet to the coals of harsh reality.

So I am going to burn your tower down, if I can, and then if I have a say in things I will vote for your prisoners to go to my Corpmate Kalaratiri because I have already agreed not to have a hand in how they are processed myself, and she will likely find a place for them and that place might possibly be in the Republic but that does not matter because I am hardly in the Amarr Militia because I am a devoted believer in the cause.

I'm here to **** with pod pilots.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#69 - 2015-01-04 16:05:53 UTC
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
I have offered my aid. It is at the very limits of what can be done when dealing with Sansha without hitting a moral and ethical bedrock. If there'd been even the slightest hint of decency in Pyre or yourself, the offer would have been accepted without grandstanding and "staking claim".

And any "principle or cause" that makes you side with Sansha are bankrupt by default, and you know it.


The help you offered, while the offer itself is appreciated, is not what is needed.

However, more guns is always appreciated. Burning a tower is slow work and not much fun for anyone involved, and things that make that go faster are rewarded with increased respect and a seat at the negotiating table when it comes time to determine what to do with the rescued.

Any corporation capable of but not passing that small gateway (did you shoot at the tower) will not be considered for such a seat, and in fact if they are making demands or suggestions, will likely be sneered at with contempt because if there is one thing we cannot stand it is people who talk a big game but who have no follow-through.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#70 - 2015-01-04 16:38:38 UTC
Honestly I would go for taking this tower down, however logistically speaking, the only thing I could really get out there would be a Wolf or Interceptor of some sort. I would think Pyre can field a support fleet fine on their own. That's beside the point I could honestly see their guns turned on me after the towers down (doubt it would happen since we would have all been there for the same goal, but its still a thought in the back of my head).

I'm not trying to say this is what you should do but wouldn't the survivors going with Kalaratiri be better than them going with PIE or Pyre as a corp? I'd personally rather see Gradient take them or Mizhara getting them transported back to the Republic. At least it would alieviate the fear of them going to Sansha supporters (couldn't see Pyre destroying their reputation by handing them over to Nation honestly), and more than likely they would go back to the Republic with Kalaratiri I would think.....
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#71 - 2015-01-04 16:56:44 UTC
There is no negotiating table, there are no demands nor diplomatic ventures to put on said table. There is an offer to aid those in need of it. It's been freely given and it is a measure of Pyre's fall from any vestige of honor or principle that these people are to be considered assets to be negotiated over.

I am less than impressed by the grandstanding on display. Pyre has been shown more than once that they are outnumbered and outmatched when push comes to shove, so this chestbeating is odd to watch.

The offer has been made and rejected, which eliminates at least some potential motivations. Any decent ones, for one.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#72 - 2015-01-04 17:39:19 UTC
Mizhara, be quiet, will you?

-Eran
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#73 - 2015-01-04 17:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Eran Mintor wrote:
Mizhara, be quiet, will you?

-Eran


No, she's clearly constitutionally unable - just as she is constitutionally unable to tell the difference between grandstanding and telling people to stop shouting at us.

I'd remind you that Nauplius was the one who advertised the fact that we were involved, obviously for the precise reason of trying to get as many capsuleers from differing factions to show up at the same time in the hopes of causing precisely this kind of charlie-fox. Who knows, perhaps he also enjoys the experience of having half the capsuleers who frequent this facility turning up and incontinently posting gibberish and threats?

What's hillarious was that we went fishing for an organisation to perform the second half of this operation precisely to avoid what's happened here and none of you would commit to it, you were either all 'too busy' or else just interested in who might turn up to get ambushed. Those of you who are interested in quietly talking towards the end of getting something achieved rather than just shiptoasting in here, anyway.

No. The poor slaves being treated so monstrously will neither be inducted into Nation or sold to the highest bidder as human chattel. Do not mistake the impulse to tell people trying to dictate terms to us to take a long walk off a short docking gantry as anything other than that.

I suspect the corporation will find it inconvenient to contribute to this thread any further.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jade Blackwind
#74 - 2015-01-04 18:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
So what do we have here?

An utterly demented Khanid who thinks that he's a Red God's messiah of some sort, puts a free faction tower for the people to shoot at.

People shoot at the free tower.

Drama ensues.

Some former, or not so former, Nation loyalists who are at the same time happen to be Caldari and Amarr loyalists (blame the militia enlistment rules and the fact that eggers are ridiculously hard to permakill for that, I suppose) also shoot the tower, along with some ex-Minmatar who are also ex-Angels and now apparently are into the Sansha-Caldari-Amarr triune because such a great shock (of seeing a single egger switch loyalties at random) would cure the Republic from corruption and whatnot.

More drama ensues.

And I have still enough Crash and whiskey to last until the tower killmail itself! Woo!

I'm really sorry. Bad girl. But I speak truth, and the truth, if applied in lethal doses, can still cure this f-ing world.

Probably.

Edit: on the other hand, I probably should join PYRE and shoot the tower too, but I doubt they'll accept my humble DPS services and I don't speak Napanii.

Hehe
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#75 - 2015-01-04 18:19:28 UTC
I fail to see where anyone has tried to dictate terms to anyone, other than Tiberious here. We have offered aid, even going so far as to going through neutral third parties to give a degree of safety from violent shenanigans towards you, with no conditions or demands.

This has been met with blatant hostility, demands for violent interjection, potentially jeopardizing both our own and any survivors by making ourselves vulnerable to ambush for seemingly no reason other than a desire to create a conflict.

And I'd remind you Pieter, that Pyre were the ones advertising the fact that you had done this over the Summit, long before Nauplius posted anything here.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#76 - 2015-01-04 18:40:48 UTC
Brutors do it better, why you would want to eradicate what makes any race unique is beyond me. All have their talents all have their uses.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#77 - 2015-01-04 19:18:49 UTC
It is so nice to see that the one time someone other than PIE orchestrates an operation against the Butcher's towers, it turns into a public fiasco.

The Butcher does not need all of this attention. If you're going to assist in some way, then just do it. If you need to coordinate, then do it directly over private communication channels instead of over a public medium like this.

This is ridiculous.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#78 - 2015-01-04 19:30:24 UTC
And this is why the cluster needs more professionalism. No one has any class any more, I swear!

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#79 - 2015-01-04 19:54:36 UTC
At this point, I'd take any PIE involvement over the yammering chestbeating from the TS-F exiles. For all your moral failures in regards to human beings, there's at least a semblance of civility and I suspect simple offers of humanitarian aid would have been met with something other than "bring the spaceviolence or gtfo" thing.
Esil Skor
Doomheim
#80 - 2015-01-04 21:22:26 UTC
It would seem that the only thing that actually matters here is who takes down the tower. By definition, they get to choose what is done with any survivors.