These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE General Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Pirates.. a bone.. throw us a fricking one CCP
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#21 - 2011-12-18 18:02:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Trevor Eve
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Trevor Eve wrote:

So what is to complain about pod scanner?


It is FAR to easy and has FAR to less risk for Pirates allready! There is absolut no reason, to make Pirates life even more easier!

You know Risk v Reward ?? Yes you do !! It's this stupid brain dead argument Pirates, null and low sec player ALLWAYS bring.

WHERE IS YOUR RISK ???
Sec status ?? MEGA ROFL
No win from ganking ?? IMPOSIBLE as you know 100% what your vitim is carriing looooooong before you gank him !!

And he can do NOTHING to avoid this as there are NO COUNTER MODULS for pasive targeter and cargo scanners !

Atm there are just two workarounds to counter this damn OP moduls which make Pirate life so ******* easy.
Transport contracts .... your next wish right? Transport contract scanner? ROFL !
Corp Hangers in Orcas.

So before you have the right to ask for anything .... ASK FOR DAMN BALANCE SO YOUR VICTIMS GET THE SAME CHANGS AS YOU !!


Sigh

You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.

Pod scanning someone in highsec and trying to ransom him would not work as concord would come pew you before you had even opened the conversation.

Pod scanning would not effect high sec ganking / suiciding in any way. High sec ganking is already one of the most profitable ways to make isk in the game.

Low sec piraracy however, is the worst profession in terms of isk earnings in the entire game. Hence the suggestion of some bones to be thrown. Thank you.

(edit: someone will now link a killmail from 1962 which shows some loot dropped in low sec. This is not indicitive of low sec piracy earnging)
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#22 - 2011-12-18 18:05:41 UTC
Trevor Eve wrote:
So most would take.

And after they took the ISK ... they shot the POD for lulz .... as allways!

So why the **** should someone pay?
It's a scam as you lie to him "if you pay I don't shot you".
After he paid you and you shot him anyway you write him a mail "MUHUHAAAA ... NOOB".

THIS is the reputation of ANY Pirat !

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#23 - 2011-12-18 18:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jojo Jackson
Trevor Eve wrote:

You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.


Ohhh .. ok, let's remove any ship scanner ... shot first then ask. No reason to wast time with scanning before looting.

Ups sorry, I forgot you want to scam ISK before you loot.


PS:
In the long past (short after release) there might be some Pirates where other knew: he will let me alife when I payed.
Today realy everyone EXPECT to be scammed and killed no matter if he pay or not!

-> no reason to introduce ANY modul which favors PirateS, Gankers or other criminals !

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Trevor Eve
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-12-18 18:09:59 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Trevor Eve wrote:

You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.


Ohhh .. ok, let's remove any ship scanner ... shot first then ask. No reason to wast time with scanning before looting.

Ups sorry, I forgot you want to scam ISK before you loot.


Ok now you annoy me, when I capture your pod i will impose 14% extra on ransom demand as penalty for forum rubbish post.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#25 - 2011-12-18 18:11:51 UTC
Trevor Eve wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Trevor Eve wrote:

You are confusing high sec ganking with pirating. Is a different profession.


Ohhh .. ok, let's remove any ship scanner ... shot first then ask. No reason to wast time with scanning before looting.

Ups sorry, I forgot you want to scam ISK before you loot.


Ok now you annoy me, when I capture your pod i will impose 14% extra on ransom demand as penalty for forum rubbish post.

Not worth it, just common L4 imps from missions ;).
Don't scan just shot ... will happen anyway.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2011-12-18 18:36:47 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not


Pretty much wrong.
Plenty of people i met are honoring ransoms.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#27 - 2011-12-18 18:40:49 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not


Pretty much wrong.
Plenty of people i met are honoring ransoms.


Pritty much wrong.
Every time someone tackled me in low/null I was dead before I could write a singel word.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-12-18 18:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nullbeard Rager
Trevor Eve wrote:
1) A pod scanner which reveals implants in pods.

WHY!

a) Pods can be given a fair ransom creating a small wage for pirates who are non griefy types
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL

2) Corporation Hangers and Ship bays drop loot and be scannable

WHY!

a) To stop the "Lv 6 invisible black hole bag of item disapearance" that is orca cargo hold
b) To encourage ransoms, tithes of passage etc


There ya go, 2 ways to boost lowsec in 30 seconds.

Now can i work for ccp? I can make drawings of ships and sit looking really moody in the background of a promotional video?


Lol, lazypirate much?

Sooo...in the EVE universe no one would develop scan mitigation and we should just transmit a copy of our manifest?

Welcome to game meets Real Life...if the technology is available anyone willing to pay for it should be able to keep their cargo secret...it's bad enough we have to pretend that a high tech civilization would NOT use automated mining to save on personnel costs.Pirate

Field of Trolls:  "If you chum it, they will come."
Typherian
V.O.I.D.
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2011-12-19 03:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Typherian
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
1) if anyone manage to tackle a pod, he will 100% sure destroy it no matter if the victim pay a ransom or not


Pretty much wrong.
Plenty of people i met are honoring ransoms.


Pritty much wrong.
Every time someone tackled me in low/null I was dead before I could write a singel word.



They probably shot you because you cannot do a few things.
A) spell properly
B) form coherent sentences
C) articulate simple points in an understandable manner

I would suggest you return to your second or third grade classroom for further instruction. In the mean time your browser will underline misspelled words in red to assist you. If you correct the deficiencies in your spelling and grammar I assure you pirates will take the time to properly ransom you and allow you to fly free after paying the agreed upon amount.

Also I have an answer for the question in your sig. A likely reason that you cannot use capital RR or local reps on an orca is because it would be very unbalanced. Allowing a capital ship to use the massive RR and tank capabilities in highsec where no DPS capital can travel is a pretty obvious imbalance. It would also make station games an even larger pain in the donkey with capital reps on the field.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2011-12-19 03:40:14 UTC
Trevor Eve wrote:
b) Pilots with pimp implants now will have a chance to be offered a ransom rather then SQUISH EM SEE WOTS ON THE MAIL LOL


Everyone knows that they will be killed even if they pay the ransom on their ship/pod and you know it. Sadly the days of Catch and Release of the real pirates back in the day is long gone and most likely will never come back. Straight
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2011-12-19 03:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
I don't usually do this, but…

…wow. He mad. Shocked


Also, yes to all the OP's ideas — piracy could use a few tweaks in the face of all the silly security buffs.
DataPlumber
Black Rose Inc.
Black Rose.
#32 - 2011-12-19 03:58:26 UTC
Just a friendly note, The United/Negative Ten honor all ransoms.

Remember that next time you're flying thru Rancer, you're pointed, and you get a convo invite. Pirate

We'll gladly take you isk and let you go, one time only......

DP
Dehlandrae
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#33 - 2011-12-19 04:05:12 UTC
Wait what?

Pirates don't have enough even though piracy is pretty much allowed if not encouraged by the silly system of consequences?

whatever.....
Renturu
In Glorium et Decorum
#34 - 2011-12-19 06:47:26 UTC
I can see scannign a pod.. Just to see if its worth the ammo. But to keep ransoms on the up-and-up. Why not have a "Ransom" selection and then a "contract" type window pops up. Treat ransoms like contracts... since, in essence, they are. If either party defaults, they lose:

The Pod being ransomed doesn't pay - POP!!!
The pirate pops the pod after completion of ransom payment, the payment reverts back to the one being held ransom.

Just a thought.

By the orders of PlunderBunny: ☻/ /▌ / \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-12-19 08:12:24 UTC
I agree with the OP. And I am a massive carebear and I often use an Orca to transport valuable goods.

Also, I would never pay a ransom. You can pry my el-cheapo +3's from my cold dead brain.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#36 - 2011-12-19 08:26:59 UTC
Who on earth would ever trust a pirate? I've paid ransom once in my life, a long time ago when I was a noob. Big mistake, fortunetally it wasn't a lot of isk.

The big problem is that pirates are like jita spammers... Now way of knowing if 1% of them really is fair, or are the whole 100% just full of horse back side post product.

Never pay a ransom, fly in a cheap clone for pvp -> griefer problem solved.

"Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2011-12-19 10:00:20 UTC
Pirate tears? Are these worth much on the market?
Doctor Invictus
Station Crew
#38 - 2011-12-19 10:02:12 UTC
I like these ideas. Good use of Coase theorem!

Renturu wrote:
I can see scannign a pod.. Just to see if its worth the ammo. But to keep ransoms on the up-and-up. Why not have a "Ransom" selection and then a "contract" type window pops up. Treat ransoms like contracts... since, in essence, they are. If either party defaults, they lose:

The Pod being ransomed doesn't pay - POP!!!
The pirate pops the pod after completion of ransom payment, the payment reverts back to the one being held ransom.

Just a thought.


Or a simpler/easier to implement version...

Pirate tackles ship/pod, then offers the pilot a ransom contract. The contract would basically be "for X ISK, I and/or my evil gang of pirate thugs will not attack you/and or members of your corporation for a duration of Y minutes/hours/days". This specified ISK amount is taken in escrow from the pilot until the completion of the contract period. The amount it returned if the pirate(s) breach the ransom contract by attacking the pilot. Strictly speaking, it would be possible to have such contracts without tackling a pilot, simply as a preemptive 'right of passage' contract.

But what if I make a contract and they still gank me!?!?

Then A) you get your money back and B) it's obviously pointless for you and/or others to make ransom contracts with that player/group in the future (i.e., they forgo future revenue by attacking you now).

But what if I make a contract with one group and another still attacks me!?!?

Then A) make a contract with them, B) accept that you didn't pay to avoid the risk of those particular pirates.

Good idea, though!

'Farms and Fields' Sovereignty Revamp: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=22452&find=unread

A Computationally Cheap Line-of-Sight Mechanism: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1822688#post1822688
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#39 - 2011-12-19 13:59:03 UTC
Typherian wrote:
They probably shot you because you cannot do a few things.
A) spell properly
B) form coherent sentences
C) articulate simple points in an understandable manner


And you disqualified yourselve as just the worst trolls need to grap the "bad english" toolkit when they are out of propper arguments.

Fat Fail Forum Troll
or
FFFT

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Typherian
V.O.I.D.
Pandemic Legion
#40 - 2011-12-19 14:27:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Typherian
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Typherian wrote:
They probably shot you because you cannot do a few things.
A) spell properly
B) form coherent sentences
C) articulate simple points in an understandable manner


And you disqualified yourselve as just the worst trolls need to grap the "bad english" toolkit when they are out of propper arguments.

Fat Fail Forum Troll
or
FFFT

yourself
grasp
Proper